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Subject: the old message board


Author:
desiree
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Date Posted: 04:13:55 11/21/06 Tue

Mark M has been threatened to loose his ucfm membership many times but untill now , nothing is the matter.
Is this a token of the goodwill of Fred Nech?

I do not think so... this old message board that Mark is maintaining has some use for the "senior pastor" a policeman in Kansas .....which use?
Probably to prevent old members ..."old" means being kicked out and degraded by Nech, to do worse than he wants.
The old message board is an outlet for outcasts.
Yes!!! Like you.
And me.

It is best not to react to anything this phony Fred Nech has to offer, he is a crook.

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Author:
Rev. Jeffrey S. Burns
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Date Posted: 19:28:06 11/21/06 Tue

Hi, Desiree: long time no see!

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desiree
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Date Posted: 01:45:00 11/23/06 Thu

Hi Jeffrey S. Burns,

Yes, that has been a long time indeed.
Last time we have enjoyed eachothers posts at the message board and have shared many good things was 4 years ago!
Then I was UCFM bishop of Europe and preaching the gospel everywhere , praise God!

Due to leadership problems (it is seldom that Fred Nech keeps the same leadership/bishops/etc. due to fear of not having sole control of UCFM)
So in general, leadership never lasts longer than 2 years and then most of them get kicked out and trashed and forgotten and stripped of the possibility to preach the gospel. I am just one of many.

I am very glad to see that untill now you have survived things.

I do not hold Fred Nech innocent to the harm he has done to the gospel as described above.
But pray that the Lord will open his eyes to the harm he has caused many lifes so that he will repent of his ways.

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Author:
desiree
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Date Posted: 04:56:30 11/23/06 Thu

Hope I have been a comfort to those who have been seriously wounded here.
Did all I could to explain that it is Jesus Who is calling people and that ordination cannot be taken away by a man.
Stood next to all who were rediculed and intimidated here.

The Lord Jesus tells me to close the door now and to trust Him with all who were robbed of their ordination .
Now I close the door in the Name of Jesus.

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Pastor Fred
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Date Posted: 22:55:20 12/05/06 Tue

You speak of hurt, YET with your words think nothing of hurting others. I would hope you in your heart of heart you truly know much better than that, for many others know the truth of this matter.

You speak of power, yet the truth is I have no ambitions for power or control, any "power" or "control" I may have had, I SURRENDERED in submission to Christ, to the Council of Bishops, of who I am subject to being directed, or even dimissed from office, myself.

I hold no power over anybody! I am as subject to being removed, from the UCFM as any member who disregards ethical ministry. The difference is that if I were removed... I can assure you that it would be for just cause.

I would humbly step-down and still, I would not remotely EVEN if I felt I was treated unfairly - raise my voice to bring railing accusations upon others.

I would be thankful for the opportunity to have served such a great organization, and such wonderful members worldwide, and would not waste my time beating a dead horse year after year, when there are souls to bring to the cross.

Actually, I have wasted enough time answering this charge, and see the utter contempt and emptiness here.

This board used to be alive with GREAT uplifting, and inspiring conversations that I believe brought Glory to Christ, IT is a far cry from what it was, and more resembles a slaughter-house, instead of a body of worship.

God Bless,
Pastor Fred

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fred
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Date Posted: 13:16:15 12/06/06 Wed

while i have left this board for the most part, i do occassionaly visit to read. I have to say I was going to write more but thought, whats the point? how does it lift up Jesus?, Since I could not see that happening, I quit ucfm. I am thankful for the lessons learned, ones I had learned over 20 years ago and still see no major change in the body of Christ, so I will lift up Jesus on my own thank you as I know the truth and it has indeed set me FREE!!!!

You or Mark can delete this if you wish, but that will NOT change the truth!

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Jeff
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Date Posted: 06:04:47 12/12/06 Tue

Bitterness, even for reasons for which we think we can rightly justify, is still bitterness.

No matter how hard we try to dress it up...

It only destroys.

This is not a judgment...

....but a word of caution...

...sent in love.

Our Lord Jesus...what did He do when He stood in front of His accusers...when they hurled their slanderous insults at Him...what did He do? How did He respond?

Who amongst us has been wronged more than He?

THINK.

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Author:
stephen the 5/8 forgiven
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Date Posted: 11:11:01 12/24/06 Sun

my dear sister desiree

although the answers to you have been delivered as a rebuke, a criticism of your expression of pain and bitterness, such as:

"O that I might have my request, and that God would grant my desire; that it would please God to crush me, that he would let loose his hand and cut me off! This would be my consolation; I would even exult in pain unsparing; for I have not denied the words of the Holy One. What is my strength, that I should wait? And what is my end, that I should be patient? Is my strength the strength of stones, or is my flesh bronze? In truth I have no help in me, and any resource is driven from me. He who withholds kindness from a friend forsakes the fear of the Almighty. -- Teach me, and I will be silent; make me understand how I have erred. How forceful are honest words! But what does reproof from you reprove? Do you think that you can reprove words, when the speech of a despairing man is but wind? You would even cast lots over the fatherless, and bargain over your friend." (Job 6:8-14, 6:24-27, RSV)

it probably could have been phrased better as a series of questions, including:

What positive things did you learn about church organization under Fred Nech?

Did you realize your ordination is really a mark from the LORD, and inviolable, and not from the man Fred Nech?

What did you, as an individual minister of the Gospel, do to fulfill your ordination, and have you abandoned these things? If you HAVE abandoned it, then:

"And [thou] hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and DO THE FIRST WORKS; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." (Rev.2:3-5, KJV)


You expresss a lot of pain, and the LORD knows I have no intention of making it worse, but our own values can cause us pain when they are misdirected. Por ejemplo, although the new terms of ordination make it impossible for me to maintain my UCFM membership honestly, it doesn't really matter, because I learned from Fred's model how to establish my own "apostolic authority" (not really mine, but from the LORD), and it seems to me that anyone who matures in the LORD will do the same.

"For each man must become the High Priest of his own household." -- "Whatsoever thou shalt ask in My Name shall be granted thee." -- "Thou shalt do these works and greater." -- YOU are the high priest, the one who KNOWS TO ASK, the one who DOES GREATER -- this is the heart of the homechurch movement, the Third-Day movement, and the opening of the calling to all believers, as evangelists, first to their own families, then to their own worlds (however they are seen), then beyond. And once we reach a level of maturity in the LORD, we don't need or belong in the UCFM any longer. "For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under Heaven." (Eccl.3:12)

If this is contrary to what you believe, I am sorry you do not understand it, but I am not about to belittle a momma eagle for trying to teach her eaglets to fly.

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