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Subject: Re: the old message board


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stephen the 5/8 forgiven
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Date Posted: 11:11:01 12/24/06 Sun
In reply to: desiree 's message, "the old message board" on 04:13:55 11/21/06 Tue

my dear sister desiree

although the answers to you have been delivered as a rebuke, a criticism of your expression of pain and bitterness, such as:

"O that I might have my request, and that God would grant my desire; that it would please God to crush me, that he would let loose his hand and cut me off! This would be my consolation; I would even exult in pain unsparing; for I have not denied the words of the Holy One. What is my strength, that I should wait? And what is my end, that I should be patient? Is my strength the strength of stones, or is my flesh bronze? In truth I have no help in me, and any resource is driven from me. He who withholds kindness from a friend forsakes the fear of the Almighty. -- Teach me, and I will be silent; make me understand how I have erred. How forceful are honest words! But what does reproof from you reprove? Do you think that you can reprove words, when the speech of a despairing man is but wind? You would even cast lots over the fatherless, and bargain over your friend." (Job 6:8-14, 6:24-27, RSV)

it probably could have been phrased better as a series of questions, including:

What positive things did you learn about church organization under Fred Nech?

Did you realize your ordination is really a mark from the LORD, and inviolable, and not from the man Fred Nech?

What did you, as an individual minister of the Gospel, do to fulfill your ordination, and have you abandoned these things? If you HAVE abandoned it, then:

"And [thou] hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and DO THE FIRST WORKS; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." (Rev.2:3-5, KJV)


You expresss a lot of pain, and the LORD knows I have no intention of making it worse, but our own values can cause us pain when they are misdirected. Por ejemplo, although the new terms of ordination make it impossible for me to maintain my UCFM membership honestly, it doesn't really matter, because I learned from Fred's model how to establish my own "apostolic authority" (not really mine, but from the LORD), and it seems to me that anyone who matures in the LORD will do the same.

"For each man must become the High Priest of his own household." -- "Whatsoever thou shalt ask in My Name shall be granted thee." -- "Thou shalt do these works and greater." -- YOU are the high priest, the one who KNOWS TO ASK, the one who DOES GREATER -- this is the heart of the homechurch movement, the Third-Day movement, and the opening of the calling to all believers, as evangelists, first to their own families, then to their own worlds (however they are seen), then beyond. And once we reach a level of maturity in the LORD, we don't need or belong in the UCFM any longer. "For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under Heaven." (Eccl.3:12)

If this is contrary to what you believe, I am sorry you do not understand it, but I am not about to belittle a momma eagle for trying to teach her eaglets to fly.

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