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Subject: Re: Diatribe Author: Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - www.unlimitedgrace.net [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 03:52:23 04/08/03 Tue In reply to: Steve Gagne 's message, "Diatribe" on 01:15:59 04/08/03 Tue Wonderful posts, Steve. Recently I find myself spending more time at First International Church of the Web (www.ficotw.org), because the members there are more focused upon getting together and sharing fellowship in the name of Christ, rather then critize folks for their Christian background (whether Catholic, penticostal, etc.) I still maintain a "loose" association with UCFM, in that I belong to the EA of UCFM. But I am not ordained by them or active in the UCFM church. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Hi Steve, you misunderstood my position... Author: MarkM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:15:23 04/08/03 Tue ...or I did not state my self clearly. First I agree with much of what you said. Its almost 3:00pm and I have little time to write this because I have to pick up the kids from school. Ill say more later. RE: (e) the choice by Mark to withdraw due to perceived doctrinal impurities on the part of the membership. First I did NOT withdraw from UCFM, I’m just not going to post on the other “MESSAGE BOARD”. Because the other board is perceived more as a body of fellowship by many. Were contending in any way is looked down on. Also on the other board, posts like yours are censored as with replies made to them. As I am the Asst. ADMIN on this I will not do that. Unless the thread breaks down into rude name calling. I know that you, Randy, and me differ on doctrinal issues but I do believe we can agree to disagree(sometimes strongly) and at the sametime not fall apart like a bunch a babies. We maybe even learn something from each other. Yes UCFM is a denomination, but one that is struggling to find its self. Got to go [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Welcome to the UCFM Mutual Admiration Society :) Author: Steve [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:04:00 04/09/03 Wed "I know that you, Randy, and me differ on doctrinal issues but I do believe we can agree to disagree(sometimes strongly) and at the sametime not fall apart like a bunch a babies. We maybe even learn something from each other." Thank you. (I gotta watch out before this becomes a mutual admiration society -- ;) .) But why are we the only ones who can do this? Among us, the three of us that is, we don't take doctrinal disagreements as attacks on ours or each other's integrity. I mean, see how you & Rod get under each other's skin sometimes? Why? I know he gets touchy sometimes, but he does have a good heart; there just seems to be more to it than just doctrinal differences. For the same reason I don't answer [someone else]'s posts -- I would react the same way toward him. Not that he's a bad person, but his posts are just...i don't know, too "saccharine"? [Note to Randy -- not neglecting you, RLK. Just can't remember anything you've said recently that would warrant my picking on you. LOL] Btw didn't mean to misstate your position. But you are withdrawing from fellowship at the other board. And since the Community Center has been gone for, what, a YEAR now (?), and noone has time to issue a newsletter, the board is the only way any of us who do not have admin clearance get any idea about what the UCFM is doing. So if you're not there anymore, you're just not THERE anymore. talk atcha l8r yiC stephen the 5/8 forgiven [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Welcome to the UCFM Mutual Admiration Society :) Author: Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - www.unlimitedgrace.net [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:23:50 04/09/03 Wed I am currently taking a history of Christianity class at the College of Dupage. The professor is a Baptist minister and got his Bachelor's and Master's in theology at a Baptist University, but went on for his Ph.D. in theology at a Roman Catholic University. When I sent him an email asking him how one can distinquish what is a correct historical perspective regarding protestant, orthodox or Catholic theology, he had a very good answer. He mentioned that the rational mind can only take us so far and we have to take a leap of faith. He also mentioned that in matters of theology, we get some things right and some things wrong, since we don't see the full picture as human beings. He also said we must humble outselves before the mystery of God. Considering he is a professional protestant theologian with a Ph.D., as well as a book author, I think this is an excellent response. And living the mystery is the essence of a recent response I got from an American priest conducting a Russian Orthodox service in English. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Welcome to the UCFM Mutual Admiration Society :) Author: Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - www.unlimitedgrace.net [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:13:41 04/09/03 Wed Another thing I have always found confusing is the mission of UCFM to be a "united Christian faith ministry", but going about defining the theological criteria by which someone belongs to the Christian faith. So you are playing with a two edged so. It's kind of like saying: I open this door for everyone to walk in and become a member, but you must dress the way I do to come inside. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]