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Subject: Points of correction Author: Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - www.unlimitedgrace.net [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:52:13 04/17/03 Thu In reply to: "help" 's message, "Re: Diatribe" on 09:55:21 04/17/03 Thu ---> Steve Talking <--- Randy - I have not said this to you personally, though I have seen you around for years too. I think you are weird - and Roman Catholicism is just plain scary to me a simple protestant. Note: Congratulations on "Monseignor" (sp?) - LOL. -------------------------------------------------------- ---> Randy's reply <---- If you think I am wierd, Steve, I wonder what you think about the holy fool tradition of the Eastern Orthodox Church? See http://www.incommunion.org/fools.htm ---------------------------------------------------------- And just a footnote here. Catholic really means "universal church" and is not limited to Roman Catholicism. You have to include the Eastern Orthodox churches (Greek, Russian, etc), all the churches in the Anglican communion (Church of England), and any church derived from any of the above churches (for example - the Old Roman Catholic Church, which succeeded from the RC over the issue of papal primacy). And now some of the Lutheran church are part of apostolic succession, like those in some countries in Europe or part of the Anglican communion (after all, wasn't Martin Luther a Catholic reformer in his original intention?) Personally, my theology is an Anglican/Eastern Orthodox hybrid and NOT Roman Catholic. ----------------------------------------------------------- The title of monsignor in the Catholic tradition is no different or stranger then one being called Bishop or regional elder in UCFM. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Points of correction Author: Mr. "Help", or joefisher [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:46:45 04/17/03 Thu Sorry Randy, I am not steve. I apologize for any confusion. I am posting under a pseudonym for my own reasons - like, I was told to (go figure that one out, I can't - and it has nothing to do with MarkM either). I mean you are weird in the nicest possible way, but I will explain it. As a simple John 3:16 is it - type protestant, a lot of your mysticism/ orthodox/ Catholic posts are generally quite confusing to me personally. This has nothing to do with you of course. It is my personally lack of understanding. But I will not deny, some of your posts I have often been left wondering - "am I supposed to understand"? I guess, and this isn't a shot, you are just to 'deep' for me sometimes. As someone notice the free email addy, also under an assumed name I borrowed from a friend, I will use it here. -joefisher [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Points of correction Author: steve [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:54:22 04/18/03 Fri psst, Randy -- that wasn't me steve [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Points of correction Author: Tom Donoho [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:13:00 09/03/03 Wed Whoa! I believe the title of "monsignor" (translated as "my lord", similar to the French use/translation in that language) is a totally honorific one bestowed by the Roman Cathoilc Church upon a priest who at one time or another was "attached" to the Vatican City or former papal estates. It is not the same as bishop or elder. That's my understanding. A good source of information for some Roman Catholic titles is "The A to Z of the Holy See" (the author escapes me at present). Blessings... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Points of correction Author: Tom Donoho [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:27:22 09/03/03 Wed I tried to edit my response in the matter of "monsignor" but it wouldn't let me do it. Just wanted to change "estates" to "states" and mention that "monsignor" is also conferred on a priest of advanced age in lieu of an actual "promotion". It is an honorific and courtesy title. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]