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Subject: I'm Sorry Already

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JoeFisher

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Date Posted: 20:10:39 04/17/03 Thu
In reply to: "help" 's message, "Re: Diatribe" on 09:55:21 04/17/03 Thu

OK, just for clarification. ON THIS BOARD I have been ASKED to use a psydonym if I am going to be 'open and honest' and speak my own mind. So I am doing that.

Since I am sure some of you hackers out there enjoy the challenge, yes, you could probably figure it out easily enough. Just keep me out of trouble, please, by keeping it to yourself when you do.

Randy, I apologize again for the use of the term 'weird' - I think if I had posted as the name you might recognize, it would never have been taken wrong. Yes, I was trying to poke a little fun at you, but more due to my lack of ability to keep up with you - which is something I know many people can't do. Let me say I have defended you before - and talked to you before. Please respect my anonymity on this issue. At some time, in another forum perhaps - I would like more information from you on the mysticisms and rituals you often speak of, for my own educations sake.

NOW - to the point of the questioning:
IF I understand MarkM's post correctly, there is no such thing as an 'organization' of non-denom. church's. He indicates that they would stand alone. I would like this expanded on - I don't believe it to be wholy true.

I also noticed MarkM's post on doctrine, which I loved. Given this, I ask, a lot of the 'man made doctrine's' come from us trying to interpret the Bible in areas it is less than clear - to our insect-like understanding. Is it wrong to attempt the understanding? Is it correct to 'play down' some of these issues - with the knowledge that if it was supposed to be clear, it would be (this is my view, btw).

For background purposes, I am a member on one hand of a denomination that is about as non-denominational as you can get, and a non-denomination that is about as denominational as you can get - and am looking for others experiences.

Bro. Randy, specfically, where does non-denominationalism and it's stance on "Bible Only" fit it with Tradition for you? This is an honest question - not intended to poke fun at you. I do respect you opinions and knowledge, even where we differ (greatly at times).

Thank you all for your understanding.

-joefisher

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Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - www.unlimitedgrace.net
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Date Posted: 04:13:14 04/18/03 Fri

Joe:
The bible only is called "Sola Scriptura". While I respect my protestant brothers and sisters, I have to disagree that only a written tradition was given, and we also have an oral tradition handled down by the apostles. And I closely side with the Eastern Orthodox theologians on this issue. Considering that protestant apologists are still debating with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox apologists on this topic, let's both adknowledge that this would be a big division between a Catholic and Orthodox outlook, and a protestant one. But I would add this. Protestants are NOT in agreement over what holy scripture means or who correctly hears the voice of the Holy Spirit. If they did, then you wouldn't have thousands of different protestant denominations, each with their own spin on things.
Randy

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