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[> [> [> Re: College Football in Mexico -- Danny, 15:32:55 05/30/23 Tue (65.175.141.242)

>>>Any interest in adding this to the site? I guess this
>>>league has been around for quite awhile now.
>>
>>I have thought several times about adding that
>>category to the website but have not done so for a few
>>reasons:
>>
>>- I'm not fluent in the Spanish language, which would
>>make navigating through team websites (if they exist)
>>to find the information I need difficult
>>
>>- I would suspect that information (team logos, and
>>dated photographs especially) would be rather scarce
>>anyway
>>
>>- it's even unclear to me how many teams there are - I
>>could not find a list of teams at the ONEFA website,
>>and the wikipedia entry seems to be outdated, but I
>>believe the number is slightly over 30
>>
>>- as I always say there's already too much to cover
>>anyway.
>>
>>This is not to say that I have ruled out Mexico, which
>>I think would be interesting, but I would need more
>>information to ascertain whether it's feasible.
>
>Saying there's too much to cover, then mentioning not
>having enough information is counteracting yourself?
>
>Just thinking out loud. What I'm reading from this?

Those aren't contradictory.

By saying "there's too much to cover," he means that there are so many college football helmets that happen each year that it's just an insane amount of work just to keep up with that.

By saying "not having enough information," he's saying that info and logos from ONEFA teams are hard to come by, especially since he's not fluent in Spanish.

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[> [> [> Re: College Football in Mexico -- charles arey, 22:41:38 05/30/23 Tue (50.96.110.160)


>Saying there's too much to cover, then mentioning not
>having enough information is counteracting yourself?

Sorry if I was unclear, so I'll try to clarify. If I knew that the ONEFA teams were stable, were supported by their respective institutions (as opposed to being the equivalent of club-level teams), had actual 'helmet designs', tended to keep those designs for multiple years, and had websites on which are published clear color photographs from all their games, I would likely not hesitate to add those to the website, despite the already massive burden of trying to keep abreast of all the USA and Canada stuff and the language-barrier challenges.

But if I knew that the teams are often short-lived and marginal, constantly change their helmet designs as though they were Conference USA or Mid-American Conference teams, and have little or no game-to-game coverage at their team websites (if such sites exist), then I'd probably rule out making such an attempt.

The actual situation is probably somewhere between those two extremes, but I don't know where, since I've barely looked into those teams. My initial digging around is not very encouraging, however: the ONEFA website appears to be largely dysfunctional and does not list any championship game result after 2018:

http://onefaoficial.org/historia

(unless I'm looking in the wrong place).

Monterrey Institute of Technology apparently won the national championship at the highest level of play in 2022, but I do not see anything like a schedule or game stories at the institute's website; there's a single undated photograph showing the football team wearing white helmets with a blue 'ram horn' logo:

https://tec.mx/es/borregos/about

Randomly picking three other schools that apparently have football teams:

Universidad del Valle de México does not appear to have any webpage for its football team.

Anahuac University - Querétaro does not appear to have a webpage for its football team; I did find a single undated photograph.

Autonomous University of Baja California does not appear to have a webpage for its football team, but the team does appear to have a presence on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/CimarronesTijuanaFootball/

Perhaps that's the case with most of these teams - information on social media rather than at the school's website.

Anyway, that's about a half-hour of research that was mostly rather discouraging.

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[> [> [> [> Thanks for the clarification. Understood. -- CB, 14:19:25 05/31/23 Wed (99.113.174.32)

>
>>Saying there's too much to cover, then mentioning not
>>having enough information is counteracting yourself?
>
>Sorry if I was unclear, so I'll try to clarify. If I
>knew that the ONEFA teams were stable, were supported
>by their respective institutions (as opposed to being
>the equivalent of club-level teams), had actual
>'helmet designs', tended to keep those designs for
>multiple years, and had websites on which are
>published clear color photographs from all their
>games, I would likely not hesitate to add those to the
>website, despite the already massive burden of trying
>to keep abreast of all the USA and Canada stuff and
>the language-barrier challenges.
>
>But if I knew that the teams are often short-lived and
>marginal, constantly change their helmet designs as
>though they were Conference USA or Mid-American
>Conference teams, and have little or no game-to-game
>coverage at their team websites (if such sites exist),
>then I'd probably rule out making such an attempt.
>
>The actual situation is probably somewhere between
>those two extremes, but I don't know where, since I've
>barely looked into those teams. My initial digging
>around is not very encouraging, however: the ONEFA
>website appears to be largely dysfunctional and does
>not list any championship game result after 2018:
>
>http://onefaoficial.org/historia
>
>(unless I'm looking in the wrong place).
>
>Monterrey Institute of Technology apparently won the
>national championship at the highest level of play in
>2022, but I do not see anything like a schedule or
>game stories at the institute's website; there's a
>single undated photograph showing the football team
>wearing white helmets with a blue 'ram horn' logo:
>
>https://tec.mx/es/borregos/about
>
>Randomly picking three other schools that apparently
>have football teams:
>
>Universidad del Valle de México does not appear to
>have any webpage for its football team.
>
>Anahuac University - Querétaro does not appear to
>have a webpage for its football team; I did find a
>single undated photograph.
>
>Autonomous University of Baja California does not
>appear to have a webpage for its football team, but
>the team does appear to have a presence on Facebook:
>
>https://www.facebook.com/CimarronesTijuanaFootball/
>
>Perhaps that's the case with most of these teams -
>information on social media rather than at the
>school's website.
>
>Anyway, that's about a half-hour of research that was
>mostly rather discouraging.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Thanks for the clarification. Understood. -- IDM3, 22:06:57 05/31/23 Wed (72.168.176.29)

>>
>>>Saying there's too much to cover, then mentioning not
>>>having enough information is counteracting yourself?
>>
>>Sorry if I was unclear, so I'll try to clarify. If I
>>knew that the ONEFA teams were stable, were supported
>>by their respective institutions (as opposed to being
>>the equivalent of club-level teams), had actual
>>'helmet designs', tended to keep those designs for
>>multiple years, and had websites on which are
>>published clear color photographs from all their
>>games, I would likely not hesitate to add those to the
>>website, despite the already massive burden of trying
>>to keep abreast of all the USA and Canada stuff and
>>the language-barrier challenges.
>>
>>But if I knew that the teams are often short-lived and
>>marginal, constantly change their helmet designs as
>>though they were Conference USA or Mid-American
>>Conference teams, and have little or no game-to-game
>>coverage at their team websites (if such sites exist),
>>then I'd probably rule out making such an attempt.
>>
>>The actual situation is probably somewhere between
>>those two extremes, but I don't know where, since I've
>>barely looked into those teams. My initial digging
>>around is not very encouraging, however: the ONEFA
>>website appears to be largely dysfunctional and does
>>not list any championship game result after 2018:
>>
>>http://onefaoficial.org/historia
>>
>>(unless I'm looking in the wrong place).
>>
>>Monterrey Institute of Technology apparently won the
>>national championship at the highest level of play in
>>2022, but I do not see anything like a schedule or
>>game stories at the institute's website; there's a
>>single undated photograph showing the football team
>>wearing white helmets with a blue 'ram horn' logo:
>>
>>https://tec.mx/es/borregos/about
>>
>>Randomly picking three other schools that apparently
>>have football teams:
>>
>>Universidad del Valle de México does not appear to
>>have any webpage for its football team.
>>
>>Anahuac University - Querétaro does not appear to
>>have a webpage for its football team; I did find a
>>single undated photograph.
>>
>>Autonomous University of Baja California does not
>>appear to have a webpage for its football team, but
>>the team does appear to have a presence on Facebook:
>>
>>https://www.facebook.com/CimarronesTijuanaFootball/
>>
>>Perhaps that's the case with most of these teams -
>>information on social media rather than at the
>>school's website.
>>
>>Anyway, that's about a half-hour of research that was
>>mostly rather discouraging.


I'm not familiar with Anahuac Queretaro, but I do know about Arkansas State University-Campus Queretaro. Arkansas State partners with the campus, so they may be the same school. ASU-Campus Queretaro played Texas Wesleyan last year, and Wesleyan won 54-0.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Arkansas State-Queretaro -- charles arey, 11:58:04 06/03/23 Sat (50.96.110.160)

>I'm not familiar with Anahuac Queretaro, but I do know
>about Arkansas State University-Campus Queretaro.
>Arkansas State partners with the campus, so they may
>be the same school. ASU-Campus Queretaro played Texas
>Wesleyan last year, and Wesleyan won 54-0.

Is Arkansas State-Queretaro an ONEFA team? If not, then I'd wonder how many non-ONEFA college teams there are in Mexico - another gray area hindering the decision of whether to add that category to the website.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Arkansas State-Queretaro -- IDM3, 18:30:04 06/03/23 Sat (72.168.176.121)

>>I'm not familiar with Anahuac Queretaro, but I do know
>>about Arkansas State University-Campus Queretaro.
>>Arkansas State partners with the campus, so they may
>>be the same school. ASU-Campus Queretaro played Texas
>>Wesleyan last year, and Wesleyan won 54-0.
>
>Is Arkansas State-Queretaro an ONEFA team? If not,
>then I'd wonder how many non-ONEFA college teams there
>are in Mexico - another gray area hindering the
>decision of whether to add that category to the
>website.


I looked up as much information about them last year when they played against Texas Wesleyan last August. It's actually real interesting. Most Mexican university students find it difficult to use their college degrees when transferring to US-based colleges or applying for jobs here. Arkansas State partnered with Queretaro to alleviate some of these issues. The partnership is Mexico-based, but the students are also considered Arkansas State enrollees and their degrees are acceptable in the US. I can't think of any other similar school arrangement like this in the US and Mexico, or even Canada for that matter.

Queretaro Wolves is in the senior bracket of ONEFA. ONEFA never really updated the scoreboard last year, so it was hard to follow their win-loss record. I do know the Queretaro9/Texas Wesleyan match was part of a global matchup of US, Mexican, UK and Japanese college teams, that I was unaware of before. I now know the annual post season match between the Ivy League's top players and Japan's top collegiate players is part of this initiative.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Arkansas State-Queretaro -- David S., 15:57:45 06/04/23 Sun (173.218.2.128)

>>I'm not familiar with Anahuac Queretaro, but I do know
>>about Arkansas State University-Campus Queretaro.
>>Arkansas State partners with the campus, so they may
>>be the same school. ASU-Campus Queretaro played Texas
>>Wesleyan last year, and Wesleyan won 54-0.
>
>Is Arkansas State-Queretaro an ONEFA team? If not,
>then I'd wonder how many non-ONEFA college teams there
>are in Mexico - another gray area hindering the
>decision of whether to add that category to the
>website.


CETYS Universidad in Mexicalli is regionally accredited to a US one that NAIA and NCAA would accept them. That means their degrees are accepted, and would be counted as a countable school to play.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Arkansas State-Queretaro -- David S., 16:00:26 06/04/23 Sun (173.218.2.128)

>>>I'm not familiar with Anahuac Queretaro, but I do
>know
>>>about Arkansas State University-Campus Queretaro.
>>>Arkansas State partners with the campus, so they may
>>>be the same school. ASU-Campus Queretaro played
>Texas
>>>Wesleyan last year, and Wesleyan won 54-0.
>>
>>Is Arkansas State-Queretaro an ONEFA team? If not,
>>then I'd wonder how many non-ONEFA college teams there
>>are in Mexico - another gray area hindering the
>>decision of whether to add that category to the
>>website.
>
>
>CETYS Universidad in Mexicalli is regionally
>accredited to a US one that NAIA and NCAA would accept
>them. That means their degrees are accepted, and would
>be counted as a countable school to play.


The school is accredited to Western Association of Schools and Colleges which includes UCLA, USC and them.

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