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Date Posted: 18:01:04 01/05/22 Wed
Author: David H
Author Host/IP: 174.212.163.226
Subject: Re: #12
In reply to: charles arey 's message, "Identifications of the 49 mystery helmets - numbers 1 through 12" on 23:34:17 01/04/22 Tue

>#12 is almost certainly Valparaiso. I'm not 100%
>certain because many other schools used a similar logo
>at that time (though I don't remember another college
>wearing it on their helmets) and Illinois Wesleyan did
>play another "Crusaders" team in 1973 - Wheaton - for
>which I do not yet have any 1973 information.
>
>I'll comment on #13 - #49 at some point in the future.

#12 is Valparaiso and you have it on the site already - http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/Valparaiso_OLD16.gif

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[> Re: Identifications of the 49 unknown helmets - numbers 13 through 24 -- charles arey, 21:04:35 12/07/22 Wed (71.31.101.145)

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to these!

This is in reference to a message i posted about a year ago regarding a set of 49 unidentified/unknown helmet designs; the original message and its replies are here:

https://www.voy.com/53670/21833.html

Thanks again to everyone who suggested identifications; about half have been identified but others remain uncertain or entirely unknown.

Now on to numbers 13 through 24:

#13 remains unidentified; someone suggested that it might be a 'minor league' team called the 'Seattle Cavaliers'. This is certainly plausible since it's not unusual to see such teams on small college schedules dating from that era. I thought it might be UBC but have not been able to locate any photographs from 1970 for that team.

#14 - someone suggested that this was 'Saint Francis' (presumably St Francis PA rather than St Francis IL or St Francis IN, since neither of those teams uses red as a team color). The helmet logo is unclear to me, looking more than anything else like an "R" inside a red oval-shape, but it could perhaps be a "K" or "H" or more than one letter. St Francis PA does not have appear to have digitized any yearbooks or other media from the year 1983, so I have been unable to confirm the St Francis identification. St Francis PA are the "Red Flash" so maybe the "R" (if that's what it is) stands for "Red", though that seems a bit odd.

#15 is Mankato State.

#16 remains unidentified; the photograph is not very good so it may be a difficult one. If could also be a 'known' design that just doesn't show up well in the photograph.

#17 is unknown but I think is highly likely to be Wheaton College. Wheaton's yearbooks have been digitized and published on the internet but unfortunately are blocked from viewing by the general public, so photographs for 1984 Wheaton may have to be tracked down in opposing teams' yearbooks.

#18 is Rutgers wearing that elusive 'knight riding a horse' logo that has been discussed here before.

#19 is Maine Maritime Academy and #20 is Elmhurst. Both of these schools' yearbooks for the indicated year are available and there are good photographs in both of them, but no color photographs, alas. So it's not yet possible to add either of those to the website despite the identifications.

#21 remains unidentified. The opposing team is Dixie College, which was a junior college at the time, later becoming Dixie State University and then Utah Tech earlier this year. So #21 is probably a junior college in the western US, probably one of the California schools whose histories are almost entirely undocumented before ~2005, or one of the numerous defunct junior college teams from the Pacific Northwest for which no information has ever been located.

#22 is Wisconsin-Whitewater, a design which somebody recognized right away, enabling me to add that one to the website.

#23 remains unknown; someone suggested it might be from a preseason practice rather than from one of Colgate's games in 1966. None of Colgate's opponents in 1966 appear to be good candidates considering that there appears to be an "M" on the helmet.

#24 was verified to be Upper Iowa. Nearby Coe College has also used some cartoon bird logos in the past, but this one is Upper Iowa.

I will report on numbers 25 to 36 hopefully well before another year elapses. Also I intend to add a page to the website with some more unidentified helmets soon, probably way down at the bottom of the index, and will be adding new ones to that page as I run across them, for anybody who wants to assist in identifying them.

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[> [> Re: Identifications of the 49 unknown helmets - numbers 13 through 24 -- No name, 23:35:10 12/08/22 Thu (97.122.64.167)

Hey Charles!

I am the one who did most of the research on this project and submitted my findings.

It took me HOURS but it was very enjoyable and challenging!

#21. I am certain that this is BYU-Idaho who was known as Ricks College when that photo was taken.
I think they only wore that design for one year.
Try this link:
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/BYUIYearBook/id/23758/rec/62
I could be wrong...

#14. St. Francis (PA). White "FCS" is inside the red oval. Check out 1984 Catholic yearbook (pg 136) for that same photo:
https://cuislandora.wrlc.org/islandora/object/achc-yearbook%3A26/datastream/PDF/view

That caption is incorrect. It is not Georgetown!
The best indication is on page 38! I am pretty sure that is is "SFC"! (page 38 of PDF and not the yearbook!)

I still do not know about #16 or #23.

It sounds weird but I am certain about #13 being a minor league football team called the Seattle Cavaliers.
At the time, I wish I took better notes! I will do this for sure next helmet hunt!

I thirst for MORE! Bring it on!
(I recall that I could not find concise answers for about 8 of the helmets for helmets #25-49! If I have time this weekend I will revisit!)

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[> [> [> Re: Identifications of the 49 unknown helmets - numbers 13 through 24 -- charles arey, 22:33:31 12/09/22 Fri (71.31.101.145)

>#21. I am certain that this is BYU-Idaho who was
>known as Ricks College when that photo was taken.
>I think they only wore that design for one year.

Thanks, I would agree that seems very likely to be the correct identification, since that would be an in-state opponent for Dixie College. I was not seeing the helmet logo as a "viking horn" but rather as a "bull horn" or something similar. But it's probably just an ordinary viking horn logo like that which every "Vikings" team eventually uses.


>#14. St. Francis (PA). White "FCS" is inside the red
>oval. Check out 1984 Catholic yearbook (pg 136) for
>that same photo:

That would also make sense. I was not noticing the "C" but was instead imagining a "R" or a "K". That's why I wanted to get other people looking at these!

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[> [> 17 = Wheaton -- David H, 01:37:44 12/15/22 Thu (73.113.22.8)

https://i.imgflip.com/6l5hah.jpg

This is from an Augustania / Wheaton game, same logo.

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