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Date Posted: 13:46:42 10/15/13 Tue
Author: 5280
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Subject: Re: OK, Ceeb, I watched the whole (painful) 16 minutes
In reply to: Old Ceeb� 's message, "Re: OK, Ceeb, I watched the whole (painful) 16 minutes" on 13:21:01 10/15/13 Tue

>>Call me a brainwashed member of the male proletariat,
>>but the entire piece had the same depth of thought as
>>a late night "rap session" in the dorm by a stoned
>>sophomore socialist wannabe who has had one economics
>>seminar taught by a burnout grad student.
>
>Is that really even fair to say? Would you want
>your views, as a middle-aged man with grown children
>and career/life experiences, to be equated to a
>nineteen-year-old who's waxing philosophical on some
>sweet bud?

That would be better than most of what my views are compared to.

>>
>>What is the alternative to "women and children first"?
>>Every person for himself/herself? After all, why
>>should children even get preferential treatment?
>>Society has invested a lot in me in terms of education
>>and experience. The child may not even make it to
>>adulthood, and if they do, we'll need to invest a lot
>>more in them along the way. Screw them.
>
>Apples and oranges yet again. A grown-ass woman is
>NOT the same thing as a child. But sadly, the
>infantilization of women continues unabated....
>Princesses one and all, by mere virtue of possessing a
>uterus.

Frankly, I think society always makes evaluations of a person's worthiness to live. Rich > Poor, Young > Old, American > Third Worlder, Unnamed Blue Shirts > Unnamed Red Shirts. Even in movies, old men give up their lifeboat seat s for young women and old women give up theirs for young men. If not, they end up dying in the raft anyway.

>
>>I offer to give up my seat on a bus to a woman for the
>>same reason I do so for an older man, or a man OR
>>woman with kids. Because it's the nice thing to do.
>>I can't say what I would do in a limited
>>life-boat-space situation, but I like to think that I
>>would not bite and scratch my way into that last spot.
>> Wouldn't it be better to die so that someone else can
>>live, rather than go through the rest of your life
>>haunted by those whose seat you took?
>
>But a woman is free NOT to be haunted for expecting
>someone to sacrifice his life for her? That's my
>point: must be nice! Where did this idea come from?
>And how have men's sacrifices come to be regarded as
>oppressions? Why shouldn't a woman take a man
>out---spend her hard-earned dollars from a
>chiseled-down paycheck on him? She sure as fuck ain't
>paying alimony and child support! Why should she not
>buy him things to garner his affection?

This isn't about "women and children first" anymore, is it?

>
>>If you don't want to be a doormat, don't be a doormat.
>> But, do it because you're sick of life shitting on
>>you for being you, not because you're sick of life
>>shitting on you for being a man.
>
>It's not life that's shitting on me. It's culture
>and society. It's my own upbringing. It's my own
>failure to recognize pitfalls, and my buy-in to a
>system that devalues me. I accept responsibility, and
>that's why I invest time in autopsying it. I DON'T sit
>here and say "fuck them fucken bitches." I say, "Do
>they even know what's gone on, and what's happening?
>Do they understand why they initiate divorce 70% of
>the time? Are they really happier to be stretched so
>thin by the presumption that career comes first? Do
>they really want what men have, which has actually
>always been a shit deal?"

If you're asking me, would I approach relationships and marriage differently now than I did in my younger days, the answer is yes. Would I be so cavalier about a decision that literally cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and years in a cubical prison cell? No, I would not. But, I don't think our society really values any individual very highly today (unless they can throw a ball well). I don't see the maleness side of the argument as being very persuasive.

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