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Subject: Re: why?


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ivan
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Date Posted: 10:08:32 02/06/04 Fri
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In reply to: G7# 's message, "Re: why?" on 03:24:47 02/06/04 Fri

G7#,

Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is also very mannered.

Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy and chopped, but I also said that she sings really high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its cracked up to be.

I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my adoration for her like you do.

My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking you personally. I am not attacking you personally and neither should you attack me.

How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to classify, because they all fall under the male vocal categories easily base on range. The women are tricky because you need to hear how far their ranges are. Often times, they sing songs that do not show their full range.
Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put them in categories and how comfortable they are in singing certain high notes, because you need to factor in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.

For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of the voice yet. it will come as I get older.

In closing, think what you want and say what you want. But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!


>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>siya.
> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>kaamo.
> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>singers?

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g7#
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Date Posted: 15:48:01 02/06/04 Fri
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>G7#,
>
>Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she
>isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the
>voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are
>thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is
>also very mannered.
>
>Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy
>and chopped, but I also said that she sings really
>high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the
>sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her
>and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its
>cracked up to be.
>
>I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman
>and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a
>singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points
>and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her
>earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my
>adoration for her like you do.
>
>My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking
>you personally. I am not attacking you personally and
>neither should you attack me.
>
>How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to
>classify, because they all fall under the male vocal
>categories easily base on range. The women are tricky
>because you need to hear how far their ranges are.
>Often times, they sing songs that do not show their
>full range.
>Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put
>them in categories and how comfortable they are in
>singing certain high notes, because you need to factor
>in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.
>
>For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that
>puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel
>comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of
>time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my
>vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound
>like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a
>tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a
>Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of
>the voice yet. it will come as I get older.
>
>In closing, think what you want and say what you want.
>But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in
>particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her
>and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke
>place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers
>and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such
>thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!
>
>
>>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>>siya.
>> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>>kaamo.
>> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>>singers?

about the range of regine, how wide is her octaves?
same to Christina, Celine and others singers (including males) you think who have this belting capability.
BTW how would you know if the voice sounds thin and choppy?

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ivan
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Date Posted: 00:00:22 02/08/04 Sun
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G7#,

I would not know their actual ranges since I have not heard them vocalize, but I have heard that Christina had difficulty producing an E above C above middle C. I have heard regine sing an F above the C above middle C.

You have to consider that a lot of women cannot belt that high, usually they sing C to D as their top belting notes.

When I say thin, I mean they sound like TILI-ING. As for chopped, I mean not being able to sing a musical phrase in one breath. In some cases, it means the voice actually stopping while still singing.

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