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Author: FTJ Author Host/IP: 207.200.116.132 |
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Date Posted: 20:56:07 02/14/06 Tue In reply to: Mike Norrod 's message, "Re: TJ" on 12:41:02 02/14/06 Tue >>Jake wilder was a very good man and breeder of the pit >>bull. he became very ill over a period of time and of >>course care of his dogs suffered the same way he did. >>some people were trusted to do some dog business with >>the dogs in Jake's yard. most of those folks were >>greedy and gave Jake little concern when it came to >>his dogs and personal situation. >>people like Ron sitze took advantage of another man's >>misfortune and tricked Jake into giving his ok for >>some of the breedings that were sold to various folks. >>those "aggressive" dogs in Jake's yard were a result >>of dogs reverting to a behavior typical to animals >>mistreated and not cared for. not Jake's fault. >>many red nose dogs were sold so fast that papers and >>registry often became confusing as well as determining >>what dogs were what. in this type of setting the red >>nose dogs in Jake's yard survived. > > >After reading this again Johnnie Boy let set you >straight on a few things. I never had any doubts about >Bill's memory! **** Johnnie Boy? <----NEW HANDLE? >Second, he was correct about those dogs being >ill-tempered and don't try and blame it on Ron!! **** Didn't blame it on Ron. I sugguested the behavior resulted due to poor care, no food, no water, no shit pick up. > >Now don't show how stupid you are by trying to >challenge my memory, many people will tell you mine is >very good by just watching me in person when we >discuss dogs, pedigrees and history. **** Don't call me stupid Mike and I won't challenge your memory. > >So you think the fault of ill-temperedness was on >Ron's breeding? **** Condition Jake's dogs lived in while he was ill. >Once again you show the greenhorn in you by repeating >information told to you second hand by someone who >didn't know shit. **** We all repeat information we hear Mike. Most people I know are usually well informed and been around the block a few dozen times. > >BTW don't play like you knew Maurice and kind of >person he was because this is another person you >didn't know and I did. And Maurice could still teach >many of you school boys lessens on ruthlessness. **** Perhaps. > >Back to the history of ill-tempered Hemphill/Wilder >dogs. **** If thats true, why breed them to any particular extent? >I guess you never knew about of the mauling they >dished out. Geronimo mauled Jake real bad when he >first got him. When I was there Scarlet Lady tried to >attack me through a gated pen and I took a picture of >it. Jake aka Joke in Stratton's book, was Ty's litter >mate brother. Jake got Bill Weaver down and was >mauling him so bad he took a shovel to him and >breaking his teeth off to get Jake off him. Bill gave >Jake to Gary Hughes, Palmer Combs old partner in the >Creed dogs (Ch. Lively etc.). Jake tried this with him >and Gary sent the dog to FL. and someone finally got >tired of it and put the dog down. Dogs off Geronimo 2 >was ill-tempered. So where the ones off his younger >brother Spinner. **** Which ones were clean and sound Mike? > >So when you speak about Hemphill dogs and Jake Wilder >and Maurice Carver, speak of what you know of first >hand like Bill did! Don't try and play it off like >Bill has amnesia of what he saw. **** No play off here Mike. > >Don't you try and change the truth about history of >things we all saw first hand. **** You didn't see everything Mike. > >BTW what do think Maud was doing on the front cover of >the book, trying to give a "love kiss?" **** Was that Maud? > >Here something else people need to remember about >Jake, he was well into his 60's when he got the dogs >from Bob. >Bob had already bred Geronimo to Dixie before and from >the litter came Lowman's Shine 2xw. **** Something good in Lowman's Shine 2XW? > >Jake was to old to cull his dogs. Jake didn't match >dogs. Jake did NOT cull his dogs! He was an old man >when he got the Hemphill dogs. **** True. Thats why the wrong dogs were put into circulation. > >If this breaks some people's heart well I'm telling >you the truth not thinking it will make everyone happy >and be in love. The truth can hurt. **** My point exactly! > >John you are very upset with me because of the truth >about Red Satan. I never told it publicly. I knew it >for years and when I spoke about it, it was in >private. I didn't want to show people up and let >things like this known. Someone else started it by >repeating it online. No I didn't care for them telling >the story out of school but when it came public and I >was asked publicly, yes I told the truth!! As I am now >and so is Bill! **** Well Mike, I have never been upset about your Hemphill / Wilder accounts. As far as Wilder's Red Satan is concerned, we will never know. But for the record, you pissed me off years ago, in a phone conversation, and now thats not important either. > >Hell if I wanted to bust everyone's balls who fed >Hemphill/Wilder dogs then I would told about the dogs >from the breeding of Geronimo 2 to the Red Bone Hounds >Jacob bred and who got them! **** Interesting cross. > >Now there is a story and NO I will not tell the story >and let this information out. So many people now think >they know so much about what went on years ago, let >them believe the history the way they want too... **** Yep. > >But when one wonders why things are the way they are, >then look for the real truth and you will know why. >Don't cry about it and try to change the truth to suit >your personal needs for your own financial gain. > >Do it for the dogs and correct what is wrong and make >it right even if it is to the point it might cost >great sums of money. >History will remember you by what you have achieved >not by how you have tried to make others think what >really happened. **** Mike I think you have done that to a certain extent with success. My hat is always off to hard working breeder and their DOGS. > >Example, how many pit winners of champions did Jake >win with? Answer, NONE! Jake did not pit dogs. >This is why in the last 40 years in Your Friend and >Mine, Pit Dog Report or Sporting Dog Journal you >didn't see any reports of his or people winning with >his many breeding. > >Of the top of my head there are only two people I know >using this blood I know has done anything towards >proving the line and both come from the same sunny >state! > >Signed, >I was there, I saw it with my own eyes. **** Good for you Mike! Glad someone was there. FTJ REALDOGS@AOL.COM [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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