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Subject: Re: Mike / Bill


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Mike Norrod
Author Host/IP: 67.177.152.140
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Date Posted: 20:10:38 02/16/06 Thu
In reply to: Mike / Bill 's message, "Mike / Bill" on 05:38:33 02/15/06 Wed

>I appreciate your side and explanation of your own
>personal experience with Ron and Jake. However, other
>folks knew Jake as well and was aware of his situation
>and the condition of his dogs during his illness.

And the point is?
I don't care if the dogs are standing a pile of crap knee deep, that still is not why the dogs were man-eaters!!
These dogs, as I tried to explain to you, was this way when Jake got them from Hemphill!!
I notice when you say others, it is never who "they" are.

This is my point with you, you dispute what others say that have first hand knowledge. We are not repeating something someone else told us!
If these people disagree with us then have them come on this board and do so. Until then you should not repeat malicious rumours second or third hand!

>Many red nose dogs were sold for money since Jake was
>hard pressed at certain times and the opportunity to
>make money off his dogs was presented to him by
>different folks who's names I will not mention.

Hey pal, you still don't get it, Jake was this way from day one! Nothing new...
Jake did this long before Ron came along.
Jake made his living peddling dogs and pups for years before Ron knew what a APBT was.
BTW Jake had other people involved with him over the years long before Ron. Every heard the name Tom Brown??

>The story of the "Old Family Red Nose" in my opinion
>will always begin and end with Mullin's review as
>posted by Mike. No one was able to continue the
>breeding of those red nose dogs mentioned in Mullin's
>writing. If so, most were wrongly sold and bred.

You are entitled to your opinion as well as others but one must remember in evaluating your opinion is from your limited knowledge of the OFRN and minimal years involved with them compared to the people who you are trying to dispute...
Disputing eyewitness people.
Even in the Court of Law, eyewitness word is taken over hearsay..

>Billy you have great dogs along with WOOD, MORGAN and
>are being sold to date. Mike you stand on your own, as
>an accomplished breeder of some fine dogs based on
>Ross Red Devil and crosses. I'm just a pea in a pot
>trying to do some good dogs and would appreciate any
>knowledge and history you make available for myself
>and others.

ANYONE can tell you that knows me, knows I've always been willing to help with information. The problem is, I don't always say what people want to hear.

Someday maybe I will write a book as far as our involvement with the breed and the sport...

Why I haven't is because of the repercussions from a book like that. Funny part, what a surprised it would be for some.
Like who has been beat and who has been called out and who they hide from the action brought their way.
Who ref for famous dogs like Buns Gr. Ch. Ny. Ny., Nate's Gr. Ch. Al Capone, Icepick's Ch. Johnnie Jr. CCM's Ch. Cody, etc. etc.. Not to mention all the shows that were watched like Gr. Ch. Zebo, Gr. Ch. Art, Bullyson, Ch. Luke, Ch. Ruby, etc, etc.

> I'm no longer interested in the origin of
>Wilder's Red Satan or who has OFRN PURE today. I'm not
>breeding that way, but will always maintain my OWN
>line of Red Nose Family with or without the stories.
>There has been enough damage done already and
>impossible to defuse.

Damage done and defuse?
Truth sometimes hurt. But remember the truth will set you free! In this case the BS about how dogs are truly bred and the true quality of them.
Damage of knowing the truth?
Maybe it should have never been known how Ch. Red Dog was bred? Maybe Jessie Boggs should have never came online and posted on certain boards?
Let the lie continue for years and let people be mislead.

Son you still don't get it.
Dog makes the papers, papers don't make the dog!
A dog is only as good as he performed.
The truth was in the [], not on the papers.

BTW, I never met a dog that knew how to read!

So it never cared how he was bred or the other dog was bred. The truth was in the end results!

>Thanks for your time and experience.

Anytime, just don't hate on us like you did with me on pedigree online billboard. :(
BTW I never used the service before because I think it is a rat service for dry snitches, so you know any responses was NOT from me...

I.M.

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