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Author: Jake Wilder Author Host/IP: 207.200.116.132 |
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Date Posted: 19:55:16 02/09/06 Thu In reply to: BILL TRUMPLER 's message, "Re: TJ" on 13:17:25 02/09/06 Thu >>ANYTHING ON HIM OR THE DOG HE BRED AND KEPT. > >Ron as you know is deceased.Ron and Jake were good >fiends. >Ron and his wife took care of Jakes dogs while Jake >went >back home and finally went back to nursey home. >At the time I went up to Jakes haveing no idea that he >went >back into nursery home.Ron had his dogs and Jakes to >take >care of.ROn had old brusier,gator,red special and many >more >on his own place.He had somewhere around 15 or more >dogs. >His dogs were very friendly. >When I visited he tool me to Jakes yard,which I >mentioned >in another post that I could not belief the dogs Jake >kept. >Its said Wilders Recless red was game,but I only saw a >dog that was a maneater as he was real bad around >people. >He was a tall dog kind of rangey.His sister which Ron >had >at his place was just the opposite very friendly and >outgoing.Her son Gator was a fine looking large headed >wide >chested dog and great with people.ALso Ron had Brusier >there >who was nine years old and at that time very healthy >and >full of energy.I cannot rember all the names of the >dogs >he had.I was told that the dogs he had were game.The >only >one that I could attest to was old brusier as he >looked like >he had been around the blocl a few times to say the >least. >The other dogs looked perfect so if they were indeed >game >they were unscatched. >All I can say was that I seen for myself a book that >was >loaded with checks for pups. >Jake and Ron bred quite alot of dogs together and made >a >killing selling them. >On Jakes yard were the two males off WIlders Red >Satan.I know one was Ace not sure of the other,both >under a year at >the time and fine looking. >I went there dureing a time that everyone was >purchaseing >them as they thought that they were pure OFRN.Bob >Hemphill >stated that the dogs he had were pure up until 67 when >he >added 1/8 of the dibo blood to his stock.Therefore they >were not pure from the time he did add the dibo blood. >Brusier was not Jakes or bred by him his real name was >Brown's red brusier Jake and Brown bred,dogs and >traded dogs >together so there was no telling what they had of each >others. >Like I said Ron is deceased and was not an old man >when he >passed on.I never heard of where all the dogs went or >who >to. >I'd say between them there might have been somewhere >around >40 or 50 altogether. >People say the dogs were game but as far as I know Ron >did >not do anything with the dogs other then breed them. >Jake himself bred big rednose dogs for people that >wanted >them for wolf hunting. >He did have pens with about 5 or 6 females in them >that if >if were me they would have been put down for sure.I >would >say without a shadow of a doubt they were maneaters. >One has to remember that the dogs had some colby mixed >in >the blood and some other blood used also. >Ron had one that was mixed with something other then >rednose. >I would not be surprized if the dogs did not produce >maneaters as I bought a female from Ron and bred her >to WOOD's and wilders red inferno.But I sold her as >soon as >she was finished haveing pups.I'am sure she was bred >over and over her name was geronimo girl. >Geronimo himself was maneater also. >I would imagine many had heard that old satan was not >bred >as shown on pedigree.I mean why would one sell of give >away the purest dogs and be left with none. >That itself was another story that many will argue >forever. >I was told BOB HEMPHILL gave Jake three breeding pairs >of the dogs he had left and said he did not have to >inbreed them for sometime to come.If that was so I'am >sure that there blood would still be around.After >Satan was sold to Hanna and Geronimo 11 passed on it >left Jake without any pure Hemphill dogs. >But Norrod had them pure of as pure as Hemphill had. >If anyone has the blood tight its MIke Norrod.But >like everything else someone would bash him and his >dogs. >But he did have them as pure or purer then Jake.But as >you see from his pedigrees that he crossed his blood >with creed. >Its just a thought but if which he did have the pure >blood >he could have made a killing on breeding Maude and the >others he had.But if one knows anything about what was >said >about how the dogs were bred one also knew of the >confusion. >But if I were to look for the blood in its purest form >I'd ring him up.Although if he still has it pure he >sure is not >selling any. >Most think that all who bought dogs from Jake bought >pure ofrn but if one looks at the pedigrees one would >see that they were not pure although they were pure >wilder if that was what someone wanted. >So as for Rons dogs I could not tell you how good they >were >nor how bad either.They were wilder dogs not Hemphill. >Other then Jake or Ron I would have went to Bill >Pritts to get one. >THe stories on the dogs could go on and on and still >have people bashing the dogs and owners,it might still >go on for who knows how long. >If your satisfied with the dogs you have thats fine >as you are the only one that matters when it boils >down to that. >I did not make this up so if its wrong its not me that >got it wrong it was told to me this way for better or >worse. jake wilder was a very good man and breeder of the pit bull. he became very ill over a period of time and of course care of his dogs suffered the same way he did. some people were trusted to do some dog buisness with the dogs in jake's yard. most of those folks were greedy and gave jake little concern when it came to his dogs and personal situation. people like ron sitze took advantage of another man's misfortune and tricked jake into giving his ok for some of the breedings that were sold to various folks. those "aggressive" dogs in jake's yard were a result of dogs reverting to a behavior typical to animals mistreated and not cared for. not jake's fault. many red nose dogs were sold so fast that papers and registry often became confusing as well as determinig what dogs were what. in this type of setting the red nose dogs in jake's yard survived. billy boy you are right about one thing, many of those dogs may not have been what you said you saw. a bunch of red nose dogs could very easily all look the same at puppy stages. so really you may not have seen everything quite the way you remember it since it was soooo long ago. today it don't make a difference what color anything is or who had it many years ago. mr carver an honest dishonest man was known to play the game well, today it has produced much more worst individuals than what mr carver could have ever been. those bed time stories just add to the confusion bill. why not just say you don't remember? why call this a OFRN message board when in fact it is not? did ross tell you to do that? why put down a honorable bloodline just to promote the credibility of a crook and liar? the last hemphill dog alive was not seen by you or anyone who thinks they did. when mr bob died that was it. it did not pass to greedy selfish idiots. everyone has a different story about most things. when it ain't correct why repeat it? pissed. 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