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Subject: Re: Jesus


Author:
Janice
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Date Posted: 21:10:24 03/16/02 Sat
In reply to: Theresa 's message, "Jesus" on 10:03:49 03/15/02 Fri



>Why is Jesus made so important? Why is he so big.

Theresa,

Because He is the very source of life. "I Am the resurrection and the life" (John 11:25)

His
>is the Son of God but aren't we all His children?

No. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16) We, however, are children by adoption, the redemption of our bodies. (Romans 8:23)

>There may be something special about a guy thet
>prefoms miracles but he dit it because of God. God
>picked this one guy but God should be the big deal.

He performs miracles and is very special, and is a big deal because He (is) God. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1) Could the Son of God be disobedient to the Father? No! "The Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world" (1 John 4:14)

>Why should we have to go through a man to get to God. We must do it God's way. "I Am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me" (John 14:6)

Theresa, I hope you keep searching for answers from the Bible!


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[> Subject: Quoting the Bible as proof


Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 22:33:40 03/18/02 Mon

Is the bible a literal interpretation of God's word?

Was it written indirectly by God?

Is it proof that God exists?

Quoting the bible can't prove anything other than the fact that you yourself have no opinion. Answers from the Bible? How? What proof do you have that the bible is anything but an interesting book?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Quoting the Bible as proof


Author:
Janice
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Date Posted: 09:10:38 03/19/02 Tue

>Is the bible a literal interpretation of God's word?

The Bible isn't an interpretation of anything. It (is) God's word.

>Was it written indirectly by God?

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:20-21)

> Is it proof that God exists?

Along with all of creation, yes it is.

> Quoting the bible can't prove anything other than
>the fact that you yourself have no opinion. Answers
>from the Bible? How? What proof do you have that the
>bible is anything but an interesting book?

I don't have to prove anything. You however; making all of the above claims, must endeavor to disprove the Bible. And once you do so, your name will be in the headlines, for you will have succeeded in doing what no man in history has ever done. And furthermore; you will have grounds for an enormous, precedent-setting lawsuit, against every Christian organization in the Nation for their endorsement of the Bible, and fraud against humanity. Good luck!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Quoting the Bible as proof


Author:
Rufus.....changing from Brandon for obvious reasons
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Date Posted: 13:01:21 03/19/02 Tue

>>Is the bible a literal interpretation of God's word?
>
>The Bible isn't an interpretation of
>anything. It (is) God's word.

>
>>Was it written indirectly by God?
>
>But know this first of all, that no
>prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own
>interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made
>by an act of human will, but men moved by
>the Holy Spirit spoke from God
. (2 Peter
>1:20-21)

>
>> Is it proof that God exists?
>
>Along with all of creation, yes it
>is.


So, 1. God exists,
2. The bible is one 'proof' of his existence and,
3. God basically wrote the bible.

You use a circular argument to support your faith. Interesting debate; lets hope you have more information and reasoning power in your pocket than this; (but then again, that is why they call it 'faith' isn't it?). The idea that God spoke to the individuals who wrote it is another matter.

>
>> Quoting the bible can't prove anything other than
>>the fact that you yourself have no opinion. Answers
>>from the Bible? How? What proof do you have that the
>>bible is anything but an interesting book?
>
>I don't have to prove anything. You
>however; making all of the above claims, must endeavor
>to disprove the Bible.

Interesting, again: I have to disprove the bible??! Why is this the default to every argument for or against the existence of God? If I claimed there to be a 'new' God; wouldn't you expect me to offer proof? I would like to think so; you wouldn't just take my word for it, would you? So, why is the burden of proof not on your enormous claim that Your God exists?

>And once you do so, your name
>will be in the headlines, for you will have succeeded
>in doing what no man in history has ever done.

Parts of the bible have been disproven, from a scientific perspective. The weaknesses with scientific theories are the only holes creationists point their fingers at. There are even new "creationist" theories being drafted and accepted that compromise between evolution and creationism: certainly you are aware of ID to make such bold statements? There is a court battle to get ID taught in schools.....I believe it is Ohio....hmmmm, I'll have to check up on that.

>And
>furthermore; you will have grounds for an enormous,
>precedent-setting lawsuit, against every Christian
>organization in the Nation for their endorsement of
>the Bible, and fraud against humanity. Good
>luck!


I tend to disagree: very few are deliberately "defrauding" the public. I don't think you are, for example. You have a lot of faith and that is not even necessarily a bad thing. I do not sense you have researched both sides of the "debate" and made an unbiased decision. You just 'believe'. I seek truth....that's all. I hope to learn from both perspectives before making any final decisions.

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