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Author: jw |
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Date Posted: 21:15:24 04/25/07 Wed In reply to: Oropan 's message, "Re: Think again" on 10:59:07 04/23/07 Mon He is very intellectual, and is a firm believer in capitalism. He always argues with me and others when we bash bush and the failed american economic system, and america's declining society. My canadian friend is proud of his computer programming career, he worked for 7 years at different clothing companies in new york for almost nothing, usually 20,000 - 30,000 a year, until finally a reletive of his got him a half-decent job in his company, even still he makes only 50,000 a year, which doesn't get you very far in the nyc metro area, where a cramped 2 bedroom appartment costs 250,000, with a big commute. His job is in a distant suburb, which requires over 50 miles of driving and a few tolls, he is living in a basement apartment, after working 10 years as a white collar professional he is definitely experiencing the "american dream". I only bring this up because one night the story of his brother who still lives in canada came up. His brother is mentally ill, and in an institution, he is quite functional, but you can tell he is not 100%. I asked him why his brother did not also move to america (land of opportunism), and his reply was, simply, "the health care is much better up there", !!!!!! Yes, america has the best health care if you are healthy, but if you are not healthy or wealthy, america is not the place to be. The free market capitalists make the claim that canadian doctors are moving to america because they can't make a living under the canadian system. I always took this for granted, until one day i came to think about it, both my sisters and my mother work or worked in hospitals (my mother retired). I heard many stories of doctors in these hospitals, many come from foriegn countries, but i never heard about any doctors moving here from canada. I think about the docs i see, and while many are immigrants, none are from canada. Most doctors in new york are from foreign countries, except for the older doctors, why are so few americans going into medicine? I thought the canadian system had problems and america had such a great health care system, why are americans not interested in this allegedly lucrative field? Why are most of the doctors here from countries like india, russia, china, latin america, arab countries, i don't see any west europeans, canadians, or japaneese, could it be they have a better health care system for both the patient and the doctor? >If you think health insurance is free in countries >with national health care you might want to ask sciguy >who lives in Canada. They pay through the nose for >their health care and they have to pay whether yhey >want it or not. Somehow you kooky leftists have it in >your head that stuff that comes from the government is >free! >Here is some more info for you....I'm in AZ in the >winter with many Canadians as neighbors. They have >little good to say about their national healthcare. >And when they are in the US during the winter they >have to buy healthcare coverage out of their own >pocket while out of Canada. The couple next to me told >me that this was their last year to come south for the >winter because he was turning 80 years old and the >cost to buy insurance for just him would be $5000 for >the three months they are in AZ. and they can't afford >it. This national healthcare thing falls under the old >saying...."Beware of what you wish for, for surely you >will get it." > > > > >> A family of 4 pays 12,000 a year for health >>coverage, plus deductables and co-pays, most of that >>money goes to the rich, not the government. If you >>make 75,000 a year or less, tax cuts are irrelevent, >>you are paying the "capitalism tax", which is the huge >>amount of money you spend on health care that goes to >>filthy rich corperate executives and wall $treet, >>along with advertising agencies, all of these taxes >>are not payed by people living in free, democratic >>countries that have national health care like western >>europe, canada, and japan. >> >> Btw, think about how much more people pay for >>energy now than they did at the beginning of the >>decade. Throw in food, education, other insurances, >>and you begin to understand why america has a negetive >>savings rate, the only time this has happened since >>the great depression. >> >>>A family of four pays ZERO tax with an income in the >>>forty thousands and even more if they itemize their >>>deductions like home mortage. More kids...you can >earn >>>even more and pay zero tax. The top 10% of earners >pay >>>90% of all taxes here in the US. I guess that's >>>because we have such an unfair tax system here that >>>doesn't tax those terrible rich people enough! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Half pay no taxes? Hmmmm incomes are too low to >>pay >>>>taxes, huh? Such a shame that a capitalist society >>>>manages to keep so many people poor. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Today's the deadline.....except for the 44% of >>>>>americans that pay NO income tax!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yep, >>>>>hard to believe but we are fast approaching that >>half >>>>>of all people will pay NO income tax. Maybe some >day >>>>>we will get down to where just twenty or thirty >>>people >>>>>will pay all the taxes...you know, those rich SOB's >>>>>that you all hate. What a great Country we live in >>>>>that we can just have rich people pay all our >>>>>Countries bills for us. Who would have thunk it one >>>>>hundred years ago!!! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |