Date Posted:18:04:47 10/13/04 Wed Author:Joe Subject: Re: Baptism vs. ICC Baptism In reply to:
John
's message, "Baptism vs. ICC Baptism" on 17:32:30 10/13/04 Wed
>In the ICC it was taught that you had to be baptized
>in water by an ICC person into an ICC church to be
>saved. Most recently, Kip has rephrased this as one
>has to be a "sold-out" disciple to be saved. The only
>way to be a sold-out disciple is to study the bible
>with a sold-out disciple. He does say that there are
>sold-out disciples out in the world somewhere, but
>that you have to be baptized by one to be saved.
Isn't Kip's recent position just a rehash of the old position? From my limited understanding, you couldn't be baptized unless you were a ICC disciple. So the real requirement to be saved was to become a ICC disciple, a much harder thing than the act (ritual?) of getting baptized. Christian = Disciple = Saved. Not a Disciple = Not a Christian = Not saved.
That being the case, the ICC's teaching on salvation is not much different from UBF's, though UBF doesn't require baptism.
