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Date Posted: 07:37:50 08/05/04 Thu
Subject: Re: Talk w/ Sarah Barry
In reply to:
's message, "Re: Talk w/ Sarah Barry" on 23:03:11 08/04/04 Wed
WHOA!! That whole dialogue was intense! I am positively
astounded at your boldness to confront those who used
to do so much to confine you.
As for me, I've been going through some pretty radical
changes as far as religion goes, and I'm still working
them all out. There will be much to discuss.
Considering the timeframe of events, I cannot help but
to be sad when I think of the pain others were going
through, while trying to be so joyful on the outside.
"Glory to Christ our God... Glory forever!"
>I had just gotten in my car to leave MSU when I saw
>Sarah Barry come out of Wharton Center across the
>street. I jumped out and rushed over to seize the
>opportunity. So here's what our conversation went
>Amy: Can I ask you some questions?
>Sarah: Sure, can I ask you some questions? How is
>Jamie? How are your kids? Do you go to church?
>Amy: Jamie & our boys are doing good. I go to Harvest
>Bible Chapel; did you ever hear of it?
>Amy: It's really great. The teaching is so bold and
>powerful. Now I would like to ask you some questions.
>What do you think about abortion?
>Sarah: Well, in my opinion it's wrong; I'm against it.
>But you know me; I never got married. I never had the
>Amy: Why didn't you try to stop Samuel Lee when he
>told Rebekah Yoon to get an abortion? why didn't you
>tell him it's wrong? The Bible is very clear about
>abortion. Psalm 139 says God created us in our
>mother's womb and that he knows us from inside the
>womb. In Jeremiah 1, he called Jeremiah to be a
>prophet from when he was still in the womb.
>Sarah: Samuel Lee is accountable to God if he did such
>things. He doesn't need to confess to you or anyone.
>Amy: No, that's not true. James 5:16 says, "Confess
>your sins to each other and pray for each other...".
>In 1:1 Bible study and testimonies sheep are supposed
>to confess their sins and repent every week in front
>of others. If the sheep do this so should the Bible
>teachers and leaders. It's not the hierarchy UBF makes
>it out to be. The Bible says we are all brothers and
>sisters in Christ. What about the testimony of Ki-Chul
>Oh? His wife was made to get 2 abortions by Daniel
>Rhee's wife without the husband even knowing about his
>wife's pregnancies until many years later. He was so
>hurt and outraged when he found that he would have had
>2 children that he left UBF only to be slandered in
>the next Sunday message. Just because he rightfully
>left UBF, they said 'He left Jesus'.
>Sarah: I don't know anything about those abortions.
>Amy: What do you mean you don't know anything about
>those abortions? You are the leader of UBF, 1 of the
>top leaders. How can you not know about the flock
>under your care?
>Sarah: Samuel Lee is (pointing upward) in heaven now.
>You can ask him about those things someday when you
>Amy: I don't really think he is up there based on the
>fruit of his whole life.
>Sarah: Why are you here?
>Amy: Jude 3 says we are to contend for the faith. The
>context of that verse explains we are to contend for
>the faith against false teachers. Titus says we are
>to refute and silence false teachings. Ezekiel 3:18-19
>say if we know about someone's sin we are to speak up
>and dissuade him; otherwise if we do not, we will be
>Sarah: Oh, you know the Bible. Would you like to
>study the Bible with me?
>Amy: Sure (kind of sarcastically; not realizing til
>later how she convienentially changed the subject),
>let's meet at Harvest Bible Chapel (she ignores this &
>doesn't agree to it by the look on her face &
>Sarah: How do you know things haven't changed in
>Amy: Because I still have friends in Chicago UBF. They
>tell me. Sarah, very soon you & I will be standing
>before the judgment seat of Christ. Do you know the
>Lord? What is your testimony? You will be responsible
>for not speaking up to stop those abortions (etc.) and
>all those other things.
>Sarah: I did receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
>Amy: Did you receive the 16 questions that were sent
>to you? Did you read them?
>Sarah: I don't know if I received them. I probably did
>receive them. No, I didn't read them.
>Amy: Here, will you read this (offering my 1 page
>Sarah: No, I don't think so. I'm busy and have to get
>back to the meeting.
>Amy: You don't have to read it now. You can take it
>and read it later; it's short, only 1 paper.
>Sarah: No. I have to go.
>Amy (As Sarah turns to leave): Have you ever hit
>anyone with a baseball bat (she doesn't answer)?
>This is what I recall right now. If I remember
>anything else later on I'll add it. 2 questions for
>you all: what would you ask Sarah Barry given the
>opportunity? what is your response to my conversation
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Re: Talk w/ Sarah Barry -- Chris, 08:23:44 08/05/04 Thu
Sara Bury is at the center of abuse, corruption -- Nick T., 10:57:57 08/05/04 Thu