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Re: Mercyhurst AD Quote on ECAC Bid -- kesiwick, 01:08:54 06/19/04 Sat
no way in the world that will happen --
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Re: Mercyhurst AD Quote on ECAC Bid -- JRGNYR, 21:18:57 06/20/04 Sun
I've been led to believe, from what I've heard, that it'll be one.
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Re: Mercyhurst AD Quote on ECAC Bid -- Gate Raider, 00:02:31 06/21/04 Mon
If one, I hope it is Cross. That is the only logical choice from geographic and academic perspective. I look forward to 'gate-HC games.
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Re: Agreed; HC the best fit for ECAC-end of story -- Go...'gate, 23:03:40 06/21/04 Mon
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One Other Thing... -- HC1843, 10:54:46 06/21/04 Mon
If Sacred Heart is promising to build a $12 million dollar ice rink with a capacity of 3,000 then I would love to know what HC put on the table. If we can't outspend these other schools to make us look as attractive as possible to the ECAC then we never should have applied.
Does anyone have any insider knowledge as to what HC offered to the ECAC in the way of upgrading from our current status. If we didn't throw in everything plus the kitchen sink, I'd love to hear why. As I've posited before, HC is no longer a poor Jesuit school with a $400+ million endowment and only 2800 students.
Any info would be appreciated (wink, wink, nudge, nudge NTK)
Cheers.
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Re: One Other Thing... -- kesiwick, 13:58:04 06/21/04 Mon
Mercyhurst's endowment as of Dec. 31, 2003 was $14.2 million
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Re: Some Random Thoughts -- NTKHC64, 08:52:02 06/23/04 Wed
I don't have knowledge of any current plans for potential ECAC membership upgrades in facilites.. From a conversation I had, it appears to me that the outlay will come after ECAC acceptance. People with means will have to step up. I'm told that Phil Gibson is doing a fine job in the athletic fund raising area. Endowment is up but take a look at Bill Durgin's recent letter and you'll see that we are at or near the bottom in many categories, e.g., endowment per student, relative to our peers. When I last looked, HC Fund participation was 36% as of this morning with only a week to go in the campaign. Fifty percent is the benchmark and barring some windfall we will fall abysmally short. Appalling to say the least! Further, booster club activity will not kick in, if it kicks in at all, until the LHTC is over...2006. In my view, unless there are alumni who want to give major amounts restricted to hockey, and I mean MAJOR, we aren't going far with a new or renovated facility. I think often of a post by Rick a few weeks back to the effect that we are trying to compete as an Ivy League school with resources that do not match up. We can compete academically but the athletics is quite another issue.
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Re: Some Random Thoughts -- matunuck, 09:17:45 06/23/04 Wed
Where may one find Durgan's letter? In addition, the communications effort by the school is abysmal. I did a random survey of fellow alums during a HC Club gathering and not one knew that you could contribute to an athletic program once you have donated to the general fund. Trying to figure it out on the web site is fruitless.
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Re: Some Random Thoughts -- matunuck, 09:21:14 06/23/04 Wed
cancel that -- found the letter
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- matunuck, 12:47:52 06/21/04 Mon
This is what Coach Pearl had to say about the women's program in an interview he gave in May to USCHO.com -
Q: Does Holy Cross' women's program factor into the equation?
A: We have a vastly improving Division III program that the school would put every resource behind if we got into the ECAC. Like the men's program, we'd have some work to do, but I think we line up pretty good [on a women's perspective].
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- Zipp, 07:24:45 06/22/04 Tue
I think what '83 is referencing is talk on the hockey message boards. Recently the speculation there has focused on the Women's side of the equation, but most of that is just opinion. If '83 is basing his comments on something more I'd love to know. Otherwise, the talk about importance of the Women's program is just opinion (don't get me wrong, its certainly a factor. Perhaps not the deciding factor though)
IMHO, the bigger issue will be scholarships, and unfortunately HC's unwillingness to give them. I really don't think the ECAC wants another Union in the league (regardless of our academic status). Unfortunately, our unwillingness to bend here (pure Brooksonian arrogance) will likely kill the deal for us.
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- browser, 09:16:19 06/22/04 Tue
look, I don't know anything about hockey leagues, but if you insist on complaining about something please explain schollies as they pertain to a league that has Ivy League schools
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- HC1843, 11:05:50 06/22/04 Tue
If HC did not step up to the plate with some serious financial backing for both the men's and women's programs then it would seem obvious that we are not going anywhere. It just boggles my mind that all these other programs are going public with what they are willing to do if accepted and all we get out of HC, at least publicly, is that HC will commit the resources but will not give scholarships. Where is the announcement that we will at least improve upon the rink in Hart to some degree...or anything that seems outwardly competitive with what some of the other, much poorer schools are promising.
That being said, I would hope that the ECAC committee members would see beyond QU's "we'll build it someday" ice-rink and Sacred Heart's $12 million dollar rink...but our problem is not QU nor is it Sacred Heart, it is Niagra, which has and continues to put money into its scholarship program and Mercyhurst, which does the same.
Let's just hope that Regan can and did back up his commitment to keep Coach Pearl and really upgrade HC hockey.
So much of this is speculation, but what else can be expected when our people on the hill are so tight-lipped....to a fault.
Cheers.
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- matunuck, 13:34:20 06/22/04 Tue
could not agree more, HC 1843 -- they can't even upgrade our pathetic web site let alone make a serious play to have at least one sport competitive on the national level -- hopefully we'll get the invite despite ourselves
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- sader1970, 11:55:42 06/22/04 Tue
I'm really out of my league (pun intended) when discussing hockey.
However, I don't see why HC having schollies is an issue when there are schools already in the ECAC w/o schollies - notably the Ivies. If those schools are consistent, one of the reasons the Patriot League came into existence was the Ivies didn't like that the schools like HC HAD schollarships in football and, therefore, we weren't playing with them on a level playing field. So how is it different with hockey?
As for facilities, I've been told that this is a non-issue because HC would have access to the Centrum for those games that there is a chance that the Hart would not be big enough for the expected crowd.
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Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule -- kesiwick, 13:38:56 06/22/04 Tue
hope you're right -- I still believe we're in -- to lose out to those other schools would really be pathetic if you ask me
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ECAC a Non-scholarship League?? -- Zipp, 13:50:50 06/22/04 Tue
To save myself some typing, I'm going to just re-post an old comment I made a couple of weeks ago:
I'll take a shot at trying to explain that. First, there's one school of thought amongst hockey people that the main goal of the ECAC (new commissioner and all) in adding a school is to improve their overall league strength and thus strength of schedule. Obviously, adding a non-scholarship school is less likely to achieve this goal than schorarship program. Argue this point if you want but IMO few would debate that we've had unusual success with out scholarships and that it's clearly easier to be successful with scholarships than with out.
We can argue if this is the ECAC's primary goal (certainly HC seems to hope that academic fit is their primary criteria), but the ECAC really IS a scholarship league. Colgate now gives scholarships which makes all the non-Ivy schools scholarship except Union and Union is clearly the blacksheep program of the league. In fact, there was a fair amount of speculation that the league might attempt to give the boot to Union and then add an even number of teams (particularly after the Union President angered the other schools by voting against the D-III scholarship exemption at the NCAA vote this spring, but that's another issue).
Now I know what you're going to say, "but the Ivy's don't give scholarships." LOL. First, they're the Ivy's, period, nuff said. And we've seen the results of the "let's compete against the Ivy's with out scholarships" experiment. Secondly, as Paul Pearl once said, "What is a scholarship?" (or something to that effect). Ask around and you'll find plenty of people (and its been debated here) that will tell you that the Ivy's can be interestingly creative with financial aid; particularly with hockey players.
So, I've gone on a while but the point is this league arguably is a scholarship league (Ivy + Scholarship). A school of thought says that the primary goal for ECAC inclusion is a school that maximizes (now or eventually) in-conference SOS. And the theory goes, a scholarship school(s) is most likely to achieve this goal.
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