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Date Posted: 12:06:30 06/22/04 Tue
Author: My Opinion
Subject: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart
Thomas PG / (KHam) / Doherty
Hamilton G / Kinsey / Smiley
Simmons G/F / Young /(Kinsey)
Hurley F /(Young) / Kramer
Lufkin C/F / Hyland / Clifford
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My thoughts... -- HC1843, 12:37:44 06/22/04 Tue
Agree with Thomas as starting point guard but am not sure I would have KHam run the offense as PG when Thomas is out, but we lack a third option until Doherty proves himself, so, OK I agree with that too.
Agree with KHam at the 2 but not sure about starting Simmons at this point. While he offers more offensively than Kinsey, Kinsey is better on the defensive end and I think Willard will go with Kinsey to start the season but project Simmons ultimately starting at the 3 unless Kinsey just rips up his senior year.
Hurley definitely at the 4. Let's pray he's learning how to shoot from the charity stripe this summer. He is the guy other teams go to when it is the last 2 minutes of a close game and they need to stop us from scoring. Hyland, young, kramer as backups...need to see more as the year progresses.
Lufkin definitely at the 5, but let's hope he is learning to bring his A game to every game this summer, and how not to get in foul trouble early on. Hyland appears like the most obvious early back up unless Clifford just brings it hard in practice and when given minutes. Either way, unless Nate improves upon my 2 earlier comments, expect these guys to get minutes as a default.
Question Marks:
1) Who other than Hamilton can we count on this year to be an offensive threat? If we don't solve this riddle, then we are likely to see a repeat of last year. Early Answer: Simmons and Kramer (I like the kids shot).
2) Will Lufkin be able to return to his freshmen year glory? Early answer: Hopefully, but this might depend on how much he gets pushed in practice from the underclassmen. Nate doesn't want to lose PT to a freshman, so he better make sure his game is on.
3) Will Coach W promise to never let Hurley take a game deciding shot ever again? God I hope so, UNLESS John shows some true offensive improvement in his jump shot.
4) Who is the sleeper soph/junior player that will surprise us all? Early Answer: Kramer or Young (I don't consider Simmons a sleeper), and I'm leaning toward Kramer but will take either or both.
5) Will Simmons get stripped a lot less this year when driving to the hoop? Early Answer: Yup, the kid was just getting warmed up...this is his season to really show us his stuff.
Thoughts....suggestions...
Cheers.
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Re: My thoughts... -- Non Alum Dave, 20:59:30 06/22/04 Tue
1843, I'm pretty much spot on with your analysis. At a top level, it appears the perimeter game will be the strength of this team. Kham and Simmons combined for about 85 3s last year...that's pretty decent returning firepower.
I would not be surprised if Simmons really takes a major step forward. 1843, you alluded to his major weakness last year: not having the strength to go to the hoop strong. I recall in the opener against BU when he got in trouble time and time again when he tried to take it to the hole. Hopefully, a year of natural physical maturation and some weight training will help him in that area. When he improves in this area - look out.
But still - I also see Kinsey starting. I hope Greg doesn't worry about his offense. I'd like to see him evolve into a Jared Curry senior year type of player - defend the wings hard, be solid with the ball, pick his spots to score when its there. I don't think this is a reach.
I, like most people I've talked to, love Kramer's potential. Various nagging injuries and illness prevented him from getting on any kind of a roll last year, but you can see that this kid knows the game.
My concerns
1. The bigs - they have something to prove, no doubt. Would love to see RW bring in another big body with that last scholarship (to get ready for the following year too!).
2. Leadership/toughness - As noted above, I am hoping Kinsey can take charge, but he could use some help. I was thumbing through a magazine from a couple of years ago where Lafayette's Fran O'Hanlon was speaking of Tim Szatko: "He has terrific poise". We need some of that swagger. A sleeper in this role: Mr. Kramer.
3. Torey in the drivers seat - TT certainly had a nice freshman year, exhibiting tremendous defensive potential and explosiveness. But - can he lead a team, particularly in a halfcourt game? It wouldn't be fair to expect him to play to Jave's steady level right away....the team may have to grow with him.
As for foul shooting - let's make sure the ball is in Keith Simmons' hands in crunch time! He looks like the best bet right now.
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Re: My thoughts... -- hcnj, 12:10:30 06/25/04 Fri
Heard some excellent reports on Doherty. He may get more time than some think. More of a play maker. SF will be interesting with Greg and Keith. Coach is very supportive of contributors like Greg, and Keith is hugely talented. I want Kham always on the floor. Front line needs some gumption. Nate can't afford to be a slasher like when Pat and Tim were leveling the big bodies. There are huge opportunities for big men who want to step up. A long shot is possibility of a transfer.
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- FWIW, 15:52:23 06/22/04 Tue
Last year showed that Hurley & Lufkin together at 4/5 are light weights even in the PL.
Hyland, Young and Clifford need to provide bulk in the 5/4 positions. They need to occupy the oposition big guys so that our strentgh, 1,2 & 3, can rebound.
Nate can exploit height and quickness advantages in match ups at the 4 if the above hold the fort at the 5. John at 4 or 3 positions can be very effective if the 5 is strong enough.
If Kramer shows he can hold off the oposition 4's for stretches he'll be very useful. If not he's fighting a crowed field for time at 3.
We'll have a lot of versatility (offense & defense) at 2 & 3. They will have to harass their counter parts at those position so that strong inside presences won't be as much as a factor.
Hamilton has come into his own as a shooter and defender. Look for development as ball handler and passer.
Thomas looks to provide the right answer at 1 but must show he can play as an iron man. Unless Torey does a left turn newcommer Doherty may not be essential.
Who's going to be in there at the end of the game?
Four are pretty obvious...the fifth? could be offense/defense substitutions
Is there a player to be named later?
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- No argument here - Simmons should start, 17:50:25 06/22/04 Tue
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- Any Academic Issues?, 17:52:41 06/22/04 Tue
Any word on how the Freshman adapted to the Academic rigors of the Cross? Is Neil definitely out???
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Academic issues -- Larry R., 19:21:24 06/22/04 Tue
The Patriot League has posted the list of men's basketball players who made the academic honor roll and Holy Cross is the only team to not have a single player make it. Two of Bucknell's freshman starters made it as did Lehigh's freshman guard. It appears we are being outhustled on both the academic front and the court.
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Re: Academic issues -- HC '85, 09:45:46 06/23/04 Wed
Anyone notice that the pictures on the HC home web page have changed?
Take a look at the picture over the link to Academics on the far left.
Looks like John Hurley to me!
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- TS1970, 00:52:35 06/23/04 Wed
"Is Neil definitely out???"
As things now stand, Neil is definitely leaving and will complete his undergraduate, academic work (just two more courses) this summer at Clark University and will have his HC degree mailed to his home in Durham, England. Then, I believe, he will attend a late July, European pro basketball tryout camp somewhere in Greece. Good luck and all the best, Neil. We'll miss your affable and friendly presence as well as the look of intimidation on the faces of some of the opposing players when you would trot onto the court. Really, Neil, we hardly knew ya.
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- purple passion peter, 22:37:52 06/30/04 Wed
Mostly we'll miss your "passion"for the game,tremendous hustle and the desire and ability to play hurt.GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- Chu Chu, 19:55:38 06/22/04 Tue
Of course, as we all know, this is because the exams at Holy cross are harder!
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Re: Hoops - Projected Depth Chart -- This lineup not good enough for the NCAAs, 00:41:55 06/23/04 Wed
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Is not making the NCAAs as PL rep -- Unacceptable at Holy Cross?, 09:04:44 06/23/04 Wed
Willard will have his work cut out for him. Is the knock on him still the fact that he has recruiting shortcomings?
Other PL coaches are passing him by and have pulled out all stops. Scholarships at Bucknell, Colgate, American and others, are balancing out the lowly rated PL. International players, D-I drop downs, etc. are showing up more and more on opponents rosters. Ralph needs to do better on that front to remain competitive, especially with a fully scholarshipped squad. Regardless, common belief is that he's here to stay as long as he wants. Not so sure that's a good thing. Anyone know when his contract is up?
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You've got to be kidding.... -- HC1843, 09:25:34 06/23/04 Wed
While Coach W is not irreplaceable, I find it absurd that you would question whether his staying at alma mater for as long as he desires is a bad thing. The man has done wonders for the program and continues to do so.
The question that should be asked is, are certain programs being allowed extra leeway by their administrations to catch up and move ahead in the PL recruiting wars. Based on some of the kids that certain other schools (not all by any means) have and continue to bring in, it appears that the answer to this question is yes. Admittedly though, I do want to know more about what people know or think Doherty's future potential and contribution level will be, which is extremely speculative on our parts.
That being said, other PL teams are not standing still as it pertains to recruiting and we need to make sure that our coaching staff is doing their best to bring in the best kids for HC, which I have every confidence that they are.
It will be interesting to see how Coach W. alots his upcoming scholarships for next year's class seeing that he will have 5 to give. I for one hope he only gives 3, maybe 4 at max, in an effort to rebalance the classes. Whatever the decision is, I would argue that Coach W. and his staff have the potential to bring in a VERY strong class seeing that our name recognition has gone up markedly since this year's graduating class entered.
Cheers.
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Re: You've got to be kidding.... -- bbfan, 10:30:08 06/23/04 Wed
I am in agreement with HC1843, RW is doing a fine job and I hope he stays a long time. The problem is in the admissions office, those people should get with the program and help out our coaches who work so hard trying to bring in athletes who are interested in the Cross.
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I believe RW contract runs until end of 2005-06 -- Anyone know for sure?, 16:00:36 06/23/04 Wed
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Re: RW contract runs until end of 2005-06 -- NTKHC64, 09:47:17 06/24/04 Thu
That is in accord with the initial publicity release when Coach Willard's contract was signed, as I have pointed out before here.
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Re: CORRECTION -- NTKHC64, 09:50:56 06/24/04 Thu
"My bad" as they say. The initial release stated that Coach Willard signed a six-year contract in the spring of 1999. Hence his contract ends after the 2005 season.
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To: bbfan - please clarify. -- Rick, 11:55:37 06/23/04 Wed
Correct me if I've misunderstood your message but is it your contention that HC's Admission's office is preventing Willard from recruiting better student-athletes ?
If so, than how does that jive with what Larry posted above....to wit -
" The Patriot League has posted the list of men's basketball players who made the academic honor roll and Holy Cross is the only team to not have a single player make it. Two of Bucknell's freshman starters made it as did Lehigh's freshman guard. It appears we are being outhustled on both the academic front and the court. "
If HC and it's basketball recruits are supposedly better students ( per Admissions Office being unyielding ), than why is HC NOT represented on the Patriot League honor roll ?
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No academic standouts -- Maybe that's a good sign!, 15:09:55 06/23/04 Wed
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Re: No academic standouts -- buffalo, 10:53:47 06/24/04 Thu
And you logic is???????
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Re: No academic standouts -- ...Admissions is working with the coaches?, 14:18:29 06/24/04 Thu
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