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Date Posted: 13:06:26 06/15/04 Tue
Author: Sader Fan
Subject: Re: Interesting Football Recruiting Story
In reply to: Sader Fan 's message, "Interesting Football Recruiting Story" on 23:05:11 06/12/04 Sat

I thought the father said "flew" but perhaps my recollection was wrong--that was a minor detail in my mind. I was more interested in the fact that he was accepted by Colgate and rejected by HC. I do know that Colgate paid for the recruiting trip. He lives about a 5-6 hour drive from Colgate so he definitely could have drivin to Hamilton. I certainly do not want to allege any violations by Colgate. That was not my point. I think Colgate did a great job in the recruiting process.

Interestingly, the recruit was put off by the high emphasis on football at Colgate (relative to his other offers) and choose to go to a Division III school that matched Colgate's financial package.

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[> [> Isn't that interesting... -- colgate13, 14:51:10 06/15/04 Tue

a D-III school matched a financial aid offer? D-III is supposed to give no preference whatsoever to athletics when it comes to financial aid... But the good ones do, that's for sure.

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[> [> [> 'gate and the D3 school BOTH use need to determine -- 'gate88, 09:35:57 06/16/04 Wed

size of the aid package (for football). How many times do we have to go over this. So, of course the d3 package might equal Colgate's.
The make-up of the package depends on the amount of university resources available and the priority placed on attracting this type of student.

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[> [> [> Of course I know that, what I implied was... -- colgate13, 11:54:14 06/16/04 Wed

I know all about need based aid and how a D-III school can come up with the same amount.

I was making a sarcastic twist at the idea of "matching" an offer. Matching means the D-III school saw what Colgate was giving and said, "sure, we'll do the same thing". That is a WHOLE lot different than coming up with the same aid amount independently. In theory all PL schools should come up with the same need amount for recruits but in practice not a single one will be EXACTLY the same. In fact, there can at times be great variances.

Also, "matching" implies matching the type of aid award. Colgate would offer all grant financial aid based upon football talent. A D-III school cannot give preferential aid based upon athletics. Sure, they have their own aid policies that might give a good student all grant, but to "match" is different. A D-III school would have to claim that the all grant aid was based on something other than football.

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[> [> [> [> Re: D-III scholarships -- Go...'gate, 21:19:21 06/16/04 Wed

Don't believe what you read about D-III not having athletic scholarships. I just learned that my Godson got an offer from a partial one for FB from a northeastern (not NESCAC) D-III, worth about 1/3 of total costs.

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[> [> Re: Interesting Football Recruiting Story -- Sader Fan, 16:44:55 06/15/04 Tue

He may have qualified for need-based financial aid for all I know.

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[> [> [> Re: Interesting Football Recruiting Story -- Gate Raider, 01:03:50 06/16/04 Wed

Colgate does an excellent job of reaching out to alum, students, parents and fans. 'gate really makes you feel part of the what they call the "society of families" and, I believe, it is successful. I can't believe HC does not have a booster club. And don't understand why it would take more than about a month to establish. There is nothing to lose unless the school feels the club would eventually become to powerful, try to dictate and result in violations and the lowering of standards. That has not happened at Colgate.

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[> [> [> Re: Interesting Football Recruiting Story -- HC1843, 08:38:17 06/16/04 Wed

I would posit that the admin is scared that too many alums will follow their hearts and give more to the athletic department than to the school's general needs.

In fact, I think this has been confirmed by the requirement that any donation, at this point, to the AD must be in addition to one's regualar contribution to the HC Fund. Crappy policy but not surprising. Then again, this is easily circumvented by restricting the "general" gift to a specific athletic need.

Cheers.

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[> [> [> Re: Interesting Football Recruiting Story -- HCFan, 13:44:43 06/17/04 Thu

The fact HC is requiring a gift in addition to HC Fund is reflective of the fact that all athletics contributions will be added on to exisiting budget, not replacement dollars. An important distinction. Any school that does not require incremental gifts is likely just moving money from pile to pile.

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