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Date Posted: 16:32:23 06/17/04 Thu
Author: Purple71
Subject: NCAA Attendance Figures for last season are out
Once agian, the Cross is the cream of the crop attendancewise in the Patriot League as per NCAA men's hoop attendance figures just out for average home crowd (check out Colgate):
HC 2,548
LaFayette 2,339
Navy 1,828
Lehigh 1,619
Bucknell 1,578
American 1,167
Army 1,116
Colgate 404
In fairness to Colgate, basketball is not its thing, hockey is the winter sport up there and football is not too shabby either. Cross does outdraw Fordham of the A10. Here is the link is anyone is interested: http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/attendance/2004_basketball_attend.pdf
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These meager numbers just exacerbate -- The problem with PL Hoops, 09:42:05 06/18/04 Fri
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These meager numbers just exacerbate -- The problem with PL Hoops, 09:42:45 06/18/04 Fri
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures -- dadominate, 10:17:27 06/18/04 Fri
404... man, that really is pathetic. civil of you to try and defend that number purple71, but i don't care if they were playing OUTSIDE in hamilton during the winter, that number is beyond excusable.
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NCAA Attendance Figures for last season are out -- sader1970, 10:47:24 06/18/04 Fri
I wonder if the HC men's BB attendance figures were much higher than what Colgate has now during the Raynor days?
Hamilton, NY doesn't have the population of Worcester to enhance the attendance beyond the students. Colgate is a hockey school, not a BB school.
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures -- dadominate, 11:01:57 06/18/04 Fri
well if HC is a basketball school, did we finish dead last in division 1 hockey attendance?
sorry, but i don't buy the we're a ________ school, so we can have the worst attendance in the nation in other major sports excuse.
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures for Colgate -- Zipp, 11:31:56 06/18/04 Fri
Why don't we hear from our otherwise outspoken Colgate bretheren. Gentlemen (in the broadest sense of the word), your answer please. >;-)
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You have Zipp... -- colgate13, 11:48:28 06/18/04 Fri
apparently our messages have crossed their respective internet paths.
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Not dead last in Ice Hockey, but close -- colgate13, 11:47:15 06/18/04 Fri
Oh please, quit your crying. Different schools have different priorities. Baskeball has never been and will never be the #1 winter sport at Colgate.
Let's look more closely at these numbers. HC for some reason did not report Ice Hockey attendance in 2003, so I can't give you the most current comparision.
However, using 2002 data, in Men's Ice Hockey you were tied for 51 out of 56 D-I schools reporting with an average attendance of 514. By comparision Colgate that year had an average ice hockey attendance of 1,864.
In 2002 Men's hoops average attendance for HC was 1,990 and for Colgate was 764. If you want to combine the two sports, HC drew an average of 2,504 and Colgate drew an average of 2,628 for both. Let me point out that 2,628 people is about the size of the village of Hamilton. What's the size of Worchester?
Looking at 2003, Colgate drew 1,940 hockey. Anyone have any idea what HC drew? If it's still like 2002, those "meager" numbers just might exacerbate why HC shouldn't be allowed in the ECAC.
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Re: Not dead last in Ice Hockey, but close -- Zipp, 12:43:30 06/18/04 Fri
Dude! That'sawesome! In my life I've seen Democrats manipulate the numbers, I've seen Republicans manipulate numbers, I've seen economists and pollsters manipulate numbers AND NOW I can say I've seen some one from Colgate manipulate the numbers. And I've gotta say, you're up there with the best of them. I mean combining both hockey and Basketball attendance to get a total number and then get something meaningful out of that number? Truly a work of art. One thing's clear....creativity is certainly not lacking in Hamilton.
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Not my main point -- colgate13, 13:30:40 06/18/04 Fri
You missed my point Zipp but thank you for the compliments.
The main point of the post was to reply to the HC poster ragging on Colgate's hoops attendance. Just as easily I can rag on HC's hockey attendance. Each sport has different meaning to each school. One's winter sport number #1 and one's winter sport #2. HC just has theirs backwards ;-)
The meaningful point is that Colgate does support it's athletics to a similar amount that HC does. It's just we like our winter sports cold, like our beer.
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Let's face it... -- Raider Redhead, 14:16:26 06/18/04 Fri
Colgate has neither the student population nor the metropolitan locale to attract large attendances.
Hockey is about the only sport that draws a good crowd, and that's primarily owing to the loyalty of Hamilton residents and fans from nearby rural communities. Football, on its best days, might draw 7000-8000 if there is an intriguing game with a PL contender or Cornell, or if there are a large number of visiting team fans from out of town. And, late autumn weather in Hamilton isn't exactly conducive to sell-outs. Prior to PL formation, it's little wonder that Colgate's major sport schedules were road-biased.
At the risk of appearing chauvinistic, the fact that 50% of the student body is female doesn't exactly help local attendances at a school in a rural locale.
Raider basketball has its own unique set of attendance problems. First and foremost, weekend games at home frequently are scheduled at or near the same time as hockey games, and hockey will always win that attendance battle. Second, Cotterell Court is small and cannot accommodate many people...I would be very surprised if it can actually hold the official capacity of 3,000. Third, the program does not have a rich tradition like that of HC, and therefore does not draw non-partisan hoops fans who lack hard core devotion to Colgate or the opposing team. Fourth and last, the home schedule rarely includes a big-time opponent that can fill seats.
That's not to say that Colgate basketball hasn't enjoyed its moments in the sun. During the Foyle/Neale era, I suspect that average attendance figures rivaled those of present-day HC crowds. During my undergraduate years, when a team like Syracuse came to town, Cotterell would be packed to the rafters.
I think those of us who care about Colgate athletics understand and accept the attendance difficulties early in our college life and grudgingly accept the need for Colgate to compete at a level where large revenues are not required to support the various sports. The end result is that many Raider faithful enjoy the "David vs. Goliath" challenges posed by Colgate's competition with larger schools. We further realize that, apart from hockey, the likelihood of "moving up" to more competitive Division I-AA levels is improbable, if not impossible. In that respect, the PL is a good fit for Colgate.
For both football and basketball, I am quite satisfied with a schedule that includes the full complement of league games as well as two or three stretch games that enable the team to face the challenges of heightened competition.
Obviously, HC fans feel differently in this regard -- especially with respect to basketball.
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To: Zipp -- Rick, 23:51:58 06/19/04 Sat
I guess everyone else has lost their appreciation for humor....
Me LOL at this one by you !
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Re: Not dead last in Ice Hockey, but close -- 90% of the USA could care less about Hockey, 13:50:44 06/18/04 Fri
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Re: Our BB attendance sucks-not much we can do... -- Go...'gate, 14:07:47 06/18/04 Fri
...unless we get another Adonal Foyle-type impact player, and he is a once-in-a-lifetime guy.
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Re:NCAA Attendance Figures for last season are out -- kesiwick, 16:30:32 06/18/04 Fri
Hockey and basketball are both great sports. I could care less if 90 percent of the nation doesn't pay attention to hockey. Colgate has a great hockey tradition and I, for one, would like to join them in the ECAC to get a lot more local fan interest in the program. The fact is that most of America doesn't care much about most college sports beyond big-time men's college basketball and football. Holy Cross and Colgate are great schools. The constant ragging on each other is pounderous.
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures for last season -- Gate Raider, 23:37:57 06/18/04 Fri
There is no doubt that BB at 'gate is hurt by hockey games being scheduled on the same day. And, actually, hockey draws some fans from the Utica (26 miles) and Syracuse (40 mi.) area. I think, if you combined the numbers for student attendance at all sports, Colgate would surpass HC. Students only have so much time and it is difficult to attend everything. HC fans - don't be surprised if your BB attendance figures drop if you join ECAC hockey. It is probable that hockey will take some fans from BB. Last, 13 is correct about your crying over PL BB. You can't have it both ways. The ECAC will be complaining about your poor attendance at hockey. The reason HC doesn't report hockey attendance is that they don't want it held against them in their attempt to move up to a better conference.
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How do you count hockey attendance? -- sader1970, 07:13:58 06/19/04 Sat
I've only attended 3-4 HC hockey games but I can see a problem on tracking attendance. I don't know how they do it at Colgate or other places but the hockey games I went to at the Hart, the games were free and there were no tickets and no one counting or checking anyone at the door (an exception, if I recall correctly were the playoff games where I think I had to buy a ticket). In addition, people came and went throughout the game. Some obviously watched part of the game, some watched all but left to get refreshments and then came back.
So, I really don't think anyone at HC is trying to "hide" the attendance figures - the reality is, no one really knows what the true figures would be.
I would estimate the games I went to had an average of about 400 with a low of a couple of hundred and a high of, perhaps close to 800.
So all you Raider fans, how do you get an accurate count in Hamilton?
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures for last season -- kesiwick, 09:56:03 06/19/04 Sat
hockey attendance figures may be found on uscho.com -- we averaged about the same numbers as Quinnipiac and UCONN -- and let's remember that local Worcester area fan interest in teams from Atlantic is zero. ECAC teams will bring more local interest, especially for an area that is very much into hockey -- and looking at the attendance at Brown, for example, I have little doubt HC will draw more fans.
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Re: NCAA Attendance Figures for last season -- Gate Raider, 00:42:24 06/20/04 Sun
First, Colgate has lots of season ticket purchasers. They also have advance sale tickets as well as selling tickets at the door. There are ticket takers at the door and your hand is stamped for readmission in case you leave the arena for some reason. Actually, judging attendance is quite easy since the rink is usually totally full and with standing room only at the big games and during playoffs. The same goes for BB and football except for these sports you keep the ticket stub for readmission.
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