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Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: AV [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2025, 02:29: pm In reply to: Susan 's message, "Re: We are new to encopresis and scared" on Thursday, April 24, 2025, 02:00: pm Hey Susan, Here is my understanding. I am a believer the colon puts pressure on the bladder preventing it from peeing. When a child lays down, the pressure is off, the child relaxes and sleeps and ultimately pees in the bed. Due to my past that you refer to, I use journaling to help. I am glad you found this site and plus keep us updated. Hopefully Shelly and kitten paw will respond and give more appropriate advice. The most important advice I can give is stay the course. Try to make this experience with your daughter as pleasant as possible but understand also she will probably hate it and fight it. Stay the course and let her know it is needed. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2025, 03:07: pm Well the reason I wanted RNs to come get us started on this path was because I know she is going to fight us. It has gotten increasingly harder to get magnesium citrate in her. It is only with threats of losing privileges that I can't get her to drink it and if she leaves the house she has to be in a pull up because she won't comply with the laxative trying to get her on the toilet. But when Kitten Paw explained how I can sit and someone grab her wrists and pulls her down over my left leg and I can clamp against the back of her legs with my right leg I know we can control her. It may take all three of us. It would be nice to sit her down and tell her how much I love her and worry about her and know that getting something put in her bottom by mom might be a little scary but I do it only because I love her and need to help her toilet herself appropriately. However, with her defiance lately and her temper tantrums I would just be lighting the fuse of a huge bomb that would explode about the time we tell her to get her bottoms taken off for us for her first ever enema. So unfortunately we are going to just have to ambush her. She knows nothing about enemas at all. Maybe she has seen the Fleet enemas on the shelf when she has been down the laxative aisle with me getting more magnesium citrate but she has no clue I have an enema bag with her name on it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2025, 03:53: pm Susan, Please keep us posted on the progress. Since it is her first, it will probably be a struggle. Having help is always good. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, April 25, 2025, 03:48: am Susan, The leg lock is a good method, I call it the “leg lock and loaded” method. The child is locked in place by the leg and the enema bag is loaded and ready to go. Since this will be your child’s first enema and you plan to surprise her, that has been coined as the “awe and shock” method. As a parent you know it has to be done and you awe and shock them with it. Advice to help for the awe and shock, my mom for example as I got order, your child’s age and older, would wait until my bath time to give me an enema. Right after bath, I was already in the bathroom and already nude. No fighting of getting clothes off. Having some help to hold the arms like your sister or husband will be great. You could even go in awe and shock her quickly by getting her over your lap, lock her legs, someone take her arms, have access to her bottom easily since it is after her bath, lube her up really well, and like you said, have an enema bag with her name on it loaded and ready to go. Hope all goes well and you get a good cleaning out of her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, April 25, 2025, 08:17: am I thought I could smell a pair of her soiled panties in the bathroom. I have found a pair hidden in there before. It took me a while. She had put them between two clean, folded, and stored on the shelf bath towels. This was just yesterday. I last got a magnesium citrate purge in her two months ago. She is not eating, has horrible breath, and now hiding destroyed underwear from me. It's time to clean her out and then demand a nightly bowel movement. Diane I got an 8 oz. bulb syringe for the nightly bowel movement when she needs help. I'm actually excited now to get started. This is so much more sensible than doing oral laxatives. Why do so many Doctors push oral laxatives on a child that holds back their bowel movements. Isn't that counterintuitive? Isn't that just giving them more practice in resisting the urge to evacuate? That is a great idea of catching her as she is getting out of the bath. We will have to get started early Saturday afternoon though because it is my understanding it may take her about an hour to get each of her three enemas into the toilet. She will be just lounging around in her bedroom playing video games in her pajamas all day so we will get her in position over my leg and then I can just pull her bottoms down enough to get access and then when she is on the toilet with her soapsuds enema I'll get them taken off of her. It's going to be a heart breaking experience for all of us but she has got to be stopped and our new Doctor is fully supportive of rectal only for this. And that just makes so much sense. Her school warned me that if she misses two more days of school she will have to do this year all over. If I don't have to go pick her up because she has messed herself until after she has been there for lunch time then it is not counted as a lost day. So we are in the clear with a clean out tomorrow and then a bowel movement every evening. I'm actually pretty pumped about it. I see hope for her. I don't see how it can fail. I will be getting a bowel movement from her every day. It's not rocket science. What's with the oral laxatives so many Doctor's are fixated on? Why do they have me force magnesium citrate down her throat, put her in a pull up, and then drop her off at school? Am I missing something? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We are new to encopresis and scared Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, April 25, 2025, 08:59: am Susan, You have a plan in place. It’s all about executing it now. I know Shelly ended up purchasing a long enema nozzle attachment so the enema would start deeper into the colon filling it up first and that seems to work for her two boys. The enema solution doesn’t need to be soapy. It can be plain warm water. Soapy enema will cause craps. It will be all about the breathing as she fills up. Hopefully Shelly and Kitten Paw will respond because they will have some amazing advice that will be helpful for beginners. Please let us know how it turns out and hopefully this will be a success story of a child that was helped through enemas and not laxatives. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]