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Subject: Re: double standard women observing unclothed men but not vice versa Author: jean the frenchy ( happy) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 05:38: am In reply to: Earl 's message, "Re: double standard women observing unclothed men but not vice versa" on Saturday, December 13, 2025, 04:25: pm thank you very much "Earl" for the relation of your army physical examination at entrance in the army. The presence of women was not really surprising at young men exam even if it could be embarrassing to be naked in front of them. The lack of privacy at the physical examinations to enter in the army was the rule in many countries. it was like usual a group exam and you know certainly that it was very common in a recent past in some countries like Russia and many eastern countries where most of the medical staff (doctors, nurses,or even clerical staff) were women and sometimes young girls who could see each day of examination a lot of young draftees (and sometimes volonteers) stark naked and for a long time. In your relation, you said that you were naked in a line with a glass divider behind you where there was three persons wearing white medical gowns with clipboards and among them two women,I must say that I don't understand why there were not in the exam room to take notes, their presence behind a glass divider did not give you more privacy and respect of intimacy, it would have been more easy for them to be inside the room like you and watch from very close your exams, and it would have been more logical ! And the fact that they were looking at you behind a glass divider was a little ridiculous, it was like if you were animals at a zoo! I have not understoofd if the doctors instructed to you to face the glass when they inspected your genitals so that the observers could see them to take notes ? and when you were instructed to turn around and spread your cheek's butts for a check of hemorroids if you had your assholes visible from them or just your front ? As regards the woman doctor, nothing to say, it was common in some countries and was rather unavoidable since more and more women entered in the army at least at medical jobs, it was becomen rather abnormal in a certain way if you were not examined at least by by one woman doctor and one female nurse who were ( and it is still more true now ) much more numerous than men ! The entrance of two young ladies in civilian clothes in the space behind the glass dividers where the observers were looking at you to put folders with papers to them while you were exposed naked and had your genitals examined, or worse when you were bending with cheeks of the butts spread to show your anus areas for the check of hemorroids was certainly less understandable, but in your relation, it seems rather casual even if the young ladies were enjoying obviously the spectacle of young men naked ( it was less boring for young secretaries than to work all the day behind a desk in an office ! ) and it could have been worst if they had comen in the exam room to make the doctors sign papers which could have certainly happen also ! Anyway as I have already said, it was apparently common for draftees in the eastern countries to be seen naked in the corridor before entering in an exam room or even during their exams by civilan secretaries or even administrative women when thre was a report in the nude in front of a kind of draft board commission to decide officially of their fitness to military service and of their assignment ( some women could be members of the draft boaard commission ). It has now been changed but it had been for a long time the rule in many countries until recent years, especially when there was still a mandatory military service. Cleaning women could also be walking in corridors with a lot of young men naked or coming to clean the back of an exam room during the exams of naked draftees. Of course what happened for draftees could also happen in countries where there was only volonteers to entry at the army, it was the same lack of privacy anyway. Even in occidental countries like Germany,there was a lot of relations of physical examinations of draftees until the military service was suppressed in recent years, and quite all the young draftees of 18 age related their embarrassment to be examined naked "but alone " in the last exam room of the medical journey by two women, a woman doctor assisted by a woman nurse or medical secretary. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: double standard women observing unclothed men but not vice versa Author: jean the frenchie " happy" [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 11:31: am you can find an interesting video on you tube from the national television in Mongolia (which was until two decades or a little more stil a state of the URSS) showing the examination of draftees. All the process is edited on a national TV for all public, it is commented on the film by a woman journalist which certainly explained to the audience at home was is the set up and how it is carried on and questioned also a few authorities. We can see that a lot of young men about 18 to 20 age certainly are gathered in a huge gym, they are all undressed until underwears only and supervised by some non commissioners officers and female nurses, often apparently rather young, and most of the medical staff is of female gender. They went from a station to an other, at each station there is one or two women behind a desk, at some stations it seems that there is a check of papers or a register, at others a part of the medical exam, they stayed in underwears all the time even for admistrative tasks and are exposed to the view of a lot of women all ages, even young girls, who are nurses or have admisnistrative tasks, but most of the women wear white lab clothes. the medical stations seem to be open to the view except for intimate exams which are performed behind a partition or curtails. I don't remember if we see if the doctors are wommen or men for that part of the exam. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: double standard women observing unclothed men but not vice versa Author: jean the frenchie ( happy) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 12:22: pm "JIM " and others who put messages about double standard at swimming pools with nudity for the boys and not for girls. Of course, it seems strange for young persons of today and they do not believe in first hand that it was true, but if they try to read more about it, there is no doubt, it happened on some states ( not all ) in the United States and among the states at some school district and lasted until the middle of the 60's, sometimes longer. It happened a little also in Great Britain or Scotland and stopped also at the middle of 60's. It happened obviously (we have a lot of relations on forums, or on newspapers and also some photos which seem true - it was not a make up!) at most YMCA swimming pools, and very often for swimming lessons at schools too, at middle school as well as at high school. The nudity for all the boys was the rule for swimmming lessons, not only for swimming teams. There was even a swimming test in the nude for young freshmen students at some universities of the Ivy League, and it lasted a long time before being suppressed. You can find mention of it on internet. So you can consider that it was true that boy's students might swim in the nude, but were they alone or with girls classmates clothed in swim suits ? It is more difficult to know what was the reality, but it might have happened in some schools at least at middle schools that there was mixed lessons with boys naked and girls in swim suits, and anyway it was obvious that the girls could have very often a view on boy's students naked because of a mess on the schedule of lessons, as it is said often, the class of girls entered in the swimming pool before the boys were gone out of the swimming pool, or on the reverse the girls were still in the swimming pool when the boys came naked in line for their roll call. So it happened certainly incidentally more than one time! Besides, it was obvious also that since girls students knew that boys students were naked, they tried to have a glance on them by spying when it was possible, the curiosity is a permanent human feeling especially when the sight is normally forbidden. The girls students could try to have a look by windows if they were not closed or by the doors if they left a space to look or by going to the Pe office if it gave a view on the swimming pool. I believe that if girls were caught to have spied boys students during swimming lessons, they were certainly reprimanded by their female teachers but not strongly, not like if it had been the reverse. As regards the audience of women and girls stitting on benches,I believe that it was less frequent, above all for high school students, but may be at schools and YMCA swimming pools, with small kids or male students at middle schools, it could have been possible that mothers or older sisters or any other female sibling were allowed to come to wait the end of the lessons before going back at home with their sons and in that case there could have been also sisters of all ages sitting with the mothers or siblings to look at the swimming lessons of boys in the nude including the awkward roll call. I doubt that it could have happened later at high school. As regards interscholastic meets, I presume that it was possible that an audience of families was allowed but certainly not everywhere. Don't forget that the attitude about nudity of boys was not the same at that time, until the middle of 60's, than now, they had no right to privacy and their nudity was not a big deal, except it was offensive for women and girls. If female members of a family came to a swimming meet where boys were naked, it meaned that they did not felt offensive by the budkity of the boys because they knew that the boys would be naked .. so why not ! And at least what about a substitute female teacher for boys students if a male teacher was ill ? I believe that it could happen in most schools especially without any question at middle school, may be less easily ay high school but I doubt also that a middle aged female Pe teacher had refused if she was told to do it, they were certainly used to see boys swimming in the nude even if they were not their teachers , by the view from their office and anyway it was not a big deal to see boys in the nude when you were a marture adult woman at that time. Of course it was different for a new and young teacher having just graduated like in your relation but it was a special case ! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]