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Date Posted: 17:39:34 11/18/05 Fri
Author: Sheepdog
Subject: Re: Rants about the "lost gospels"
In reply to: Observer with something to add 's message, "Re: Rants about the "lost gospels"" on 10:44:24 10/20/05 Thu

#Ok so there are books left out of the Bible... maybe they were left out for a good reason. Maybe not.

***I don�t know about you, but I wouldn�t like it if a government took over my freedom of religion. I wouldn�t like that government choosing what religious books I�m allowed to have.

#It does however leave some questions.
Enter Joseph Smith who seems to take advantage of this by proclaiming some outlandish (by traditional Christian dogma) beliefs.

***Joseph Smith had no idea about books left out or the total corruption that occurred in the 3rd century. He was only 21 when he translated the Book of Mormon. He had a 3rd grade education. What could he have known to take advantage?

#No one can refute them because all he has to say is "well your church is corrupt and has not provided complete information... here let me show you the "real" truth as revealed to me".

***Well, if you believe the first part, which there is plenty of evidence to support the claim, The only question then is about the validity of the �revelation�. Nobody here said that missing books = Joseph Smith is a prophet. He was indeed right about missing books and corrupt creeds.

#He is just filling the holes of doubt to support his own misguided agenda. But in reality the two are mutually exclusive.

***Have you read the Book of Mormon? What proof do you have that it was all his �misguided agenda� or that he was �just� filling in holes? None. You have no proof that there was no revelation. On the other hand, Joseph Smith has many people who testified that they had seen the plates and handled them. Some of those people even became enemies of him. You�d think an enemy would quickly deny this testimony wouldn�t you? But they did not do it.

#If you want to support Mormonism you should chose a different path of argument. Missing books? Big deal! This proves NOTHING.

***It was an Anti Mormon who started this conversation. We cover all sides here. Sometimes we lead the conversation, other times anti Mormons lead the conversation. I was taking each point that Lord V. had made and was answering specifics. Can I not do that? I don�t mind taking any path of argument my opponents choose. This forum used to be quite lively and full of intelligent conversations from both sides...until certain vermin started coming and filling it with obnoxious, hateful, filthy, mentally deranged, language and topic. And here they are, back again, just waiting to be caught misbehaving by the forum host. I think the host is out a whole lot of the time.

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