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Date Posted: 10:44:24 10/20/05 Thu
Author: Observer with something to add
Subject: Re: Rants about the "lost gospels"
In reply to: MyLadyBanshee 's message, "Re: Rants about the "lost gospels"" on 21:43:28 09/25/05 Sun

Ok so there are books left out of the Bible... maybe they were left out for a good reason. Maybe not.

It does however leave some questions.

Enter Joseph Smith who seems to take advantage of this by proclaiming some outlandish (by traditional Christian dogma) beliefs. No one can refute them because all he has to say is "well your church is corrupt and has not provided complete information... here let me show you the "real" truth as revealed to me".

How convenient!

The fact that books are missing from the Bible in no way supports the claims of Joseph Smith. It's simple logic to follow.

He is just filling the holes of doubt to support his own misguided agenda. But in reality the two are mutually exclusive.

If you want to support Mormonism you should chose a different path of argument. Missing books? Big deal! This proves NOTHING.

Anyway, I hate to support the arguments of the likes of BDT and Robbins who are clear hate mongers... however when I see an invalid argument Im not letting my personal feelings get involved.

Peace

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[> [> [> SATAN'S OBSERVER WITH NOTHING TO ADD, GET YOUR SATANIC A$$ INTO THIS THREAD NOW!!! -- Brother D. Thomas, 17:02:54 10/23/05 Sun

Satan's brainless observer,

What the hell do you mean that you hate to support arguments like those of the men of God like Brother D and esteemed Brother Nathaniel P. Robbins! Do you realize how ignorant it makes you look in the eyes of the Christian God, Jesus the Christ, when you say that True Christians are hateful? We are simply following in the footsteps of our Lord in being Judgemental and Intollerant, as demanded by Him, duh!

Our Bible tells the following, to wit: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Romans 16:17). The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). He told a man, "Thou hast rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). To others, our Lord asked, "Why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (Luke 12:57).

�I will say it again: If anyone preaches any other gospel than the one you welcomed, let God's curse fall upon that person ( Galatians 1:8-10 ). �He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him� (John 3:36).

These are only a few of the passages to support the Christians position of judgment and intolerance of sin to anyone that doesn�t accept our faith.

In the name of the hung Savior.

Brother D. Thomas
Always enlightening the cultural Christian.
http://pub49.ezboard.com/ftruechristiansunitefrm7

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[> [> [> [> Re: SATAN'S OBSERVER WITH NOTHING TO ADD, GET YOUR SATANIC A$$ INTO THIS THREAD NOW!!! -- Truth hurts BDT, 11:42:27 10/29/05 Sat

>What the hell do you mean that you hate to support
>arguments like those of the men of God like Brother D
>and esteemed Brother Nathaniel P. Robbins!

Didn't I type in English? Or are you illiterate?

Don't you have some kool aid to go and drink now?

lmao

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[> [> [> Re: Rants about the "lost gospels" -- Sheepdog, 17:39:34 11/18/05 Fri

#Ok so there are books left out of the Bible... maybe they were left out for a good reason. Maybe not.

***I don�t know about you, but I wouldn�t like it if a government took over my freedom of religion. I wouldn�t like that government choosing what religious books I�m allowed to have.

#It does however leave some questions.
Enter Joseph Smith who seems to take advantage of this by proclaiming some outlandish (by traditional Christian dogma) beliefs.

***Joseph Smith had no idea about books left out or the total corruption that occurred in the 3rd century. He was only 21 when he translated the Book of Mormon. He had a 3rd grade education. What could he have known to take advantage?

#No one can refute them because all he has to say is "well your church is corrupt and has not provided complete information... here let me show you the "real" truth as revealed to me".

***Well, if you believe the first part, which there is plenty of evidence to support the claim, The only question then is about the validity of the �revelation�. Nobody here said that missing books = Joseph Smith is a prophet. He was indeed right about missing books and corrupt creeds.

#He is just filling the holes of doubt to support his own misguided agenda. But in reality the two are mutually exclusive.

***Have you read the Book of Mormon? What proof do you have that it was all his �misguided agenda� or that he was �just� filling in holes? None. You have no proof that there was no revelation. On the other hand, Joseph Smith has many people who testified that they had seen the plates and handled them. Some of those people even became enemies of him. You�d think an enemy would quickly deny this testimony wouldn�t you? But they did not do it.

#If you want to support Mormonism you should chose a different path of argument. Missing books? Big deal! This proves NOTHING.

***It was an Anti Mormon who started this conversation. We cover all sides here. Sometimes we lead the conversation, other times anti Mormons lead the conversation. I was taking each point that Lord V. had made and was answering specifics. Can I not do that? I don�t mind taking any path of argument my opponents choose. This forum used to be quite lively and full of intelligent conversations from both sides...until certain vermin started coming and filling it with obnoxious, hateful, filthy, mentally deranged, language and topic. And here they are, back again, just waiting to be caught misbehaving by the forum host. I think the host is out a whole lot of the time.

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