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Date Posted: 14:17:03 04/06/02 Sat
Author: Rufus
Subject: Spoilers from Cross and Stake Spoiler Board
In reply to: Rufus 's message, "Spoilers from The Buffy Cross and Stake........."Oh boy!"" on 14:00:22 04/06/02 Sat

Cross and Stake

Date Posted: 11:01:27 04/06/02 Sat
Author: AnGeL X
Author Host/IP: spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com / 198.81.16.164
Subject: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread...

Okay... Spoilers have been posted. Pretty much all of them are on Extra Spoilage (http://www.angelicslayer.com/tbcs/espoilage.html) due to their relationship to big events.

I'm changing the game plan a little here. This thread is a Spoiler Q & A. You ask. I will try to answer. Do NOT start new threads to ask me questions...this is the only thread I will be answering questions at today. Once it's moved to the archives, no more questions today. I need sleep and my research paper needs to be written...(Unless someone would like to write that for me? No? You sure? Oh fine.)

But...please note:

I will NOT answer any of the following questions, so save your fingers the typing...
- Episode 19 in general. I have very little information on it and I won't comment on things I don't know for sure. Everything I *do* know for sure is on the site...so unless your questioning the wording of my spoilers, I probably won't have an answer for you.
- Exact details / Summarizing order of events. Don't ask for specific details like quotes or a character's facial expressions when someone says something or does something. I'm sick of responding to those questions with my own perspective or the exact words of the script only to have it twisted and attacked elsewhere. You show me no respect, I show you no kindness by giving details. And please don't ask me to put spoilers in a particular order because generally, I won't do that.
- Season finale. I don't have information on it and probably won't be getting any other than official releases. I have info on 18 and 20, specifically...I've got nothing to comment on about the finale.

I will try to answer as many questions as I can, but I make no promises. If I don't feel like answering your question, I won't...simple as that. I'm giving you practically everything there is to know for two big episodes, I can be picky if I want to be. Please check the site AND the message board spoiler page (http://www.angelicsunset.com/spboard.html) before asking your questions to make sure I haven't already answered them. I will ignore repeat questions.

And for any wondering... I will do a Quote Game for episode 18 and 20...but not 19/21/22. I don't have enough material for any of those episodes to do one.

-Michelle

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- JGirl74, 11:15:50 04/06/02 Sat (dialup-63.214.192.122.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net/63.214.192.122)

AnGeL X, I love you. Thanks for all the info.

My question, if you choose to answer, is this:

Where are Buffy and Tara when they get shot? Obviously Willow's in the house, too (right?)...so are they all in Willow's room?

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[> [> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- AnGeL X, 11:21:17 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Just judging on where the bodies are in episode 20, Buffy is in the backyard and Tara is in Willow's room. I *think* Willow is with Tara when it happens as Xander is with Buffy when it happens, but I'm not sure. Willow could be elsewhere in the house or something, but I don't see how she could be anywhere but in the house.


-Michelle

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- RelativeGirl, 11:26:15 04/06/02 Sat (dialup-64.156.150.243.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net/64.156.150.243)

So Willow is either with Tara when it happens, or finds her, and then Willow just leaves Tara's body where it is and Dawn stumbles accross it? Am I understanding this right?

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[> [> [> [> Yes. -- AnGeL X, 11:31:32 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Frawley, 11:17:56 04/06/02 Sat (CPE005004a33fa0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/24.112.110.161)

Wow... that's a TON of spoilage, so I feel like a heal asking for a little bit more, but:

How does Warren know who Rack is, and where to find him? I thought the idea was that you had to be a big bad or a witch to sense him... and while Warren is "evil", he's still human, not a true big bad... to me anyway.

Does Rack survive the ep, and what kind of assistence does he give Warren?

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[> [> Um... -- AnGeL X, 11:23:37 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

I really don't know how Warren finds Rack. He just shows up at the invisible traveling magic place.

As far as I know, Rack survives... he just gives Warren some magicical skills to battle against Willow.

-Michelle

Re: Ok, I have one -- ms.curious, 11:20:57 04/06/02 Sat (spider-tm082.proxy.aol.com/152.163.197.82)

In Ep. 20, I'm still unclear on what the deal/agreement is between Spike and the demon. If you can, I'd appreciate clarification on what the terms are. Do you know what Spike puts up if he fails and what he gets if he wins? Your spoilers make it seem like he gets a wish which could be a wish for anything, not just becoming how he was before he got the chip.

I'm trying to reconcile your info. and the soul search info. that Fraz posted. More specific info. would help.

Thanks again for sharing your spoilage.

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[> [> If I had anything to clarify with... -- AnGeL X, 11:29:05 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

I would...but I don't. The scene in episode 20 is short, vague and confusing. Like I said in the spoiler, I don't know what Spike is asking for, what he has to do to get it or what he gets in the case that he wins. Spike says very little that is telling and the demon he is meeting with speaks in an "all powerful/all knowing" kind of way and doesn't give any direct hint as to exactly what is going to happen or what Spike wants. It is implied that the chip has caused him trouble and he wants to go back to what he was before it. How far back, I don't know.

The only message my spoiler should be conveying is that Spike goes to the demon and in exchange for some challenge(s), he gets something that he wants. Beyond that, I don't know.

-Michelle
Thanks!!! :) and a question... -- chrystyne, 11:21:38 04/06/02 Sat (MTL-HSE-ppp174396.qc.sympatico.ca/65.94.120.98)


Hi AngelX:

Thanks so much for the fabulous info. My question is: I'm a bit confused about who finds Tara first and how the info about her death is disseminated -- in your spoilers it seems clear that Xander and Buffy don't know about Tara's death until Dawn finds her, but as I'm reading the chronology by that time Willow's already been by the hospital to save Buffy.

So does Willow find Tara, and then tell no one about the death?

Thanks,
chrystyne

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[> [> Yes... -- AnGeL X, 11:30:59 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Willow is the first to find the body...she is there either when it happens or very soon afterwards. She would have no reason to go all black magic like if she didn't know about Tara's death. Once she finds that Tara cannot be saved, she leaves on a mission to do whatever it takes to get her revenge on Warren.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Beth, 11:27:14 04/06/02 Sat (host62-7-125-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com/62.7.125.25)

Thanks!
I take it 'one down' and 'two to go' refer to Willow going after the Troika?

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[> [> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Peter Wiggin, 11:37:21 04/06/02 Sat (pool-151-204-79-29.delv.east.verizon.net/151.204.79.29)

Yeah, I don't think it could be anyone else. Just wouldn't make sense, after reading the spoilers. Thanks, AngelX!

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[> [> Yes. -- AnGeL X, 11:41:22 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Diana, 11:30:20 04/06/02 Sat (1Cust194.tnt1.durham.nc.da.uu.net/67.240.145.194)

Who disarms Warren, Xander? And does Xander try to give Buffy first Aid and call the cops?

Thanks

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[> [> I don't know... -- AnGeL X, 11:35:55 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Warren gets away, so I would assume no one, but the event actually occurs in 19 and I don't have enough information on it.

An ambulance is called, I assume by Xander since I don't think anyone else is home (other than Willow and Tara upstairs) at the time.

-Michelle
Jonathan & Andrew... -- Frawley, 11:31:08 04/06/02 Sat (CPE005004a33fa0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/24.112.110.161)

Something I forgot to ask in my first post... (and I hope it doesn't violate any rules).

Do Jonathan & Andrew know of Warren's stint as a spree killer? Do we see more of Jonathan's unease with real evil, Andrew flirting with the dark side? Or are they dead set against, or is it just not an issue?

Cuz geek solidarity within the trio was lacking last we saw them... and Andrew looked at tad too happy about getting away with murder back in "Dead Things"...

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[> [> Re: Jonathan & Andrew... -- AnGeL X, 11:40:04 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

The guys are in jail throughout the episode, waiting for Warren to bail them out. They're out of the loop.

-Michelle

Re: Dawn -- Willows_familliar, 11:31:36 04/06/02 Sat (24-148-15-242.na.21stcentury.net/24.148.15.242)

WOW! i think i may very well snap before these eps actually come out! GRRRRR!!!!

I wasnt going to ask anything since it seemed mildly cut and try, but one thing nags at me.... do you have any idea (considering past events...) just how Dawn reacts upon finding Taras body? I mean, speakwise or anything?

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[> [> It's pretty predictable... -- AnGeL X, 11:59:30 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

We don't see much of the reaction, it's mostly silent shock.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Clairel, 11:39:29 04/06/02 Sat (eldevicth112.cas.okstate.edu/139.78.44.231)

Thanks for the great info, AngelX. My question is, why is Dawn alone in the house when Willow and Xander are at the hospital with Buffy? Why wouldn't Dawn go to the hospital with them? Was Dawn not home when the shootings took place, and then she arrived home when everyone had already gone to the hospital? Thanks again.

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[> [> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- AnGeL X, 11:44:59 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

The events happen during the day. Dawn is at school while all of this takes place and returns home afterwards when everyone is gone.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- southgirl, 11:40:58 04/06/02 Sat (host-209-215-51-71.mcn.bellsouth.net/209.215.51.71)

how big of a role does Anya play? Does Xander try to reconcile with her during these episodes?

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[> [> Anya... -- AnGeL X, 11:48:46 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

She has a pretty big role in the events. Xander tries to work things out with her in 18, but it doesn't work out.

She plays a big part in finding Willow in 20 (because she can sense Willow's need for vengeance) even though it doesn't help them stop Willow.

-Michelle

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Diana, 11:42:01 04/06/02 Sat (1Cust194.tnt1.durham.nc.da.uu.net/67.240.145.194)

How does Willow "heal" Buffy?

Do you know if Willow just stalks into the ER all black magicky and yanks the bullet out of Buffy's chest?

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[> [> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Beth, 11:48:47 04/06/02 Sat (host62-7-125-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com/62.7.125.25)

Thanks for the answer. I another question allowed? Do you have any idea if she gets close to killing or hurting the other two?

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[> [> Pretty much... -- AnGeL X, 11:51:17 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Just like you said...only a bit more special effect-y. The bullet is lifted out magically.

-Michelle

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Catherine, 11:50:56 04/06/02 Sat (public1-bagu2-5-cust8.manc.broadband.ntl.com/213.106.3.8)

You said:

After Willow raids the Magic Shop (and consumes dark magic from books that turn her hair and eyes pitch black), Anya is rescued from one of Willow's spells (Anya's frozen in place, but not in an ice way) by Xander and Buffy. She indirectly reveals to both of them that she's returned to her vengeance demon roots and for Willow's sake, she agrees to lead the way to the dark witch. The three of them find Willow...but it's too late.

Too late in what sense, do you mean that she has killed Warren?

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[> [> Uh...yeah... -- AnGeL X, 11:52:57 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

The others show up in time to see Willow finally kill Warren.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- princessjen, 11:52:03 04/06/02 Sat (s180.waters-247.gtlakes.com/64.68.247.180)

those were awesome spoilers. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

My questions are as follows...

Does spike know that buffy got shot?

and do you think 'two to go' and 'one down' refers to the members left of the scoobie gang?

hopefully this doesnt break the rules!

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[> [> No to both. -- AnGeL X, 11:56:01 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Although it's possible the two to go thing does refer to the Scoobies, it just doesn't make much sense with the plot as far as I can tell.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Anna B, 11:55:04 04/06/02 Sat (h217n1fls33o971.telia.com/213.66.114.217)


1) Any scenes involving Spike, beside the ones we know? Anything, I beg you... :) Even just a referral to him would be muchly appreciated.

2) Why and when does Dawn leave Clem's care?

--Anna

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[> [> Sorry, nothing I'm getting into. -- AnGeL X, 11:57:40 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)


WoW ! Excellent Spoilers ! Quick question about older spoilers?: -- El-Toro, 11:58:46 04/06/02 Sat (yawl.soc.lib.md.us/64.26.65.66)

In the aftermath of the big nasty spike scene in 19, after Xander finds Buffy in tears, does he:
a): Go all ranty ? or
b): Gives her support and comfort ?
I think his reaction will be an indicator of where the writers plan to take him in season 7. Thanks again for the spoilers

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[> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- southgirl, 12:00:28 04/06/02 Sat (host-209-215-51-71.mcn.bellsouth.net/209.215.51.71)

thanks for responding to my last question. ok, with so much going on with Xander being at Buffy's side and all, does it appear that their friendship begins to become a bit more than that?

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[> [> No. -- AnGeL X, 12:10:32 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

I wasn't trying to imply that romance is going on, because it's not as far as this episode is concerned. It just happens that Xander's role in episode 20 is centered around being at Buffy's side. Just trying to point out that he actually plays a part in the episode.

-Michelle
I was trying to reduce the amount of material I'd have to comment on... -- AnGeL X, 12:15:53 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

So I only updated for Villains.

But I'll add something on this to the site later...

Buffy's back is injured in 19 somehow. Totally unrelated to Spike or Warren. The shooting does not happen until the very end of the episode...after her back injury, after her encounter with Spike.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Elizabeth L., 12:17:44 04/06/02 Sat (spider-wf044.proxy.aol.com/205.188.195.166)

Considering that we just had Normal Again where Buffy is in a hospital and coma sort of situation, I just wondered if Buffy said anything interesting while she is in and out of consciousness after the shooting at her home or at the hospital afterward. Does she have any dreams or make any comments? Or is she totally out of it through the whole hospital ordeal?

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[> [> She's out... -- AnGeL X, 12:23:51 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.164)

Unlike Tara, the bullet doesn't kill Buffy quickly. It's a serious injury, but she's still alive. She's just completely out until Willow heals her.

-Michelle
Hi, thank you so much AnGeL X and I have a Q.... -- thewallflower40, 12:35:50 04/06/02 Sat (pcp01350234pcs.lowmrn01.pa.comcast.net/68.81.109.67)

I am an incredibly devoted W/T shipper and I'm heartbroken by this news. However I just want to know if W/T get any goodbye of some sort. After Tara is shot and Willow finds are there any beautiful last words of some sort? Some type of closure on this wonderful relationship? If not I think the Kittens and all of us shippers will be extremely devastated not to mention cheated.

Oh and how does Willow remove the bullet exactly? You said her eyes and hair have become pitch black which sounds pretty extreme to be walking around a hospital. I mean noone notices this goth looking chick remove a bullet from this girl's chest? Does Xander or Buffy even find out about it?

Again thank you for your hard work and dedicated to keep the spoiler whores satisfied. You're a true great in the internet community and I'm sure we should all say thanks.

-Caroline

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[> [> Re: Hi, thank you so much AnGeL X and I have a Q.... -- AnGeL X, 14:08:54 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

As far as I know, there are no final words between them. I'm pretty sure Tara's wound is immediately fatal...but I don't know for sure. We really don't know the whole story yet, give it a chance.

As I said above, Willow levetates the bullet out of Buffy and heals the wound.

And Willow doesn't come in through the door and she sends all the doctors and nurses out of the operating room, so no one really is able to notice.

-Michelle

New question -- Xanderella, 12:41:26 04/06/02 Sat (209-6-194-101.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com/209.6.194.101)

AnGel X,

Do you see any indication that Halfrek will be in or mentioned in any of the final episodes? Thanks

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[> [> Thanks AngelX. Great job as usual. -- Ozmandayus, 12:45:40 04/06/02 Sat (adsl-66-72-121-3.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net/66.72.121.3)


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[> [> Re: New question -- AnGeL X, 14:09:45 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Hallie is in ep 18, but not 20. I don't know about 19.

-Michelle

Question about Anya... -- Lurker McLurkington, 13:04:06 04/06/02 Sat (adsl-67-36-183-109.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net/67.36.183.109)

Hey, AngelX. Long-time lurker here with a question...

So Anya is still a vengeance demon in episode 20. Is she evil and demony, or is she just regular Anya plus some magical powers? Are Buffy and Xander upset or frightened that she's become a demon again, or do they take it in stride?

Keep up the good work!

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[> [> Umm... -- AnGeL X, 14:12:11 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Anya is the same as she was before as a demon in "The Wish." Capable of being human looking and demon looking.

Buffy and Xander have a lot on their mind when they find Anya and find out that she's a demon again. Their concern lies in whether or not she will help them save Willow or whether she's going to be their enemy. They don't spend a lot of time dwelling on it...there isn't any to spare.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Patrick, 13:13:38 04/06/02 Sat (host213-122-204-68.in-addr.btopenworld.com/213.122.204.68)

Thanku Angel X. I think you shall have to be the center of a new religion...!
Anywayz, do we even see Jonathon & Andrew in 'Villains', or do we just get references to them still being in jail from 'Seeing Red'? It would be nice if u could answer my q, but don't worry if you can't.

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[> [> Yes, we see them. -- AnGeL X, 14:13:02 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Graham, 13:16:18 04/06/02 Sat (remi1pool0-a13.reese.tds.net/216.170.176.13)

Thanks for the new spoilage, Angel X. Can't wait for the eps. to actually air!

My only question...Does Amy Madison appear in any of the episodes? If not, is she mentioned? By Rack, or someone else? I know...kind of a lame question, but I was hoping there would be some resolution to her storyline this season.

Thanks! :)

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[> [> Not as far as I know. -- AnGeL X, 14:13:49 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Re: At the very beginning of the episode, are they all still at the -- Dave12Fire, 13:22:57 04/06/02 Sat (ACC26FD4.ipt.aol.com/172.194.111.212)

house waiting for an ambulence, or calling one, or what?

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[> [> Sorta.... -- AnGeL X, 14:15:54 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

An ambulance arriving at the house and a blood-covered Xander directing the parametics to Buffy is how the ep starts.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Piggy, 13:42:53 04/06/02 Sat (spider-to033.proxy.aol.com/152.163.204.58)

AngelX thank you sooooooo much. We love ya!!

I know this is mostly about 20 but I have some questions about 18 and 20.....

*Does Xander and Buffy seem to feel bad when they find out it's the Nerds that were spying and not Spike?

*When Xander comfronts Anya does he seem to be angry or hurt? I know you can't talk about emotions without seeing facial expressions. I just want to know by the written word.

Does Xander storm off?
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Does Xander find out about Spike "umm you know" before 20? Is he presant when Dawn ask to be takened to Spike?

Does it seem as if Buffy was arguing with Xander about Spike right before Warran comes? I know it's in 19 but there might be indications in 20.

Is Xander presant when Willow "Saves" Buffy?

Do they find out about Tara because Willow explains why she's all "witchy"?

Thanks!!

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[> Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Thanks Angel X, 13:43:17 04/06/02 Sat (24-168-105-40.si.rr.com/24.168.105.40)

That was a lot of info to take in at once. I am absorbing though :)Thanks a lot for keeping us up to date

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[> Q about ep 18 Angel X... -- WEakestLink, 13:45:46 04/06/02 Sat (bgp01550810bgs.anapol01.md.comcast.net/68.49.5.127)

Is Halfrek and/or DHoffryn in this ep, or is it assumed that Anya agreed to be a vengence demon again offscreen?
Great work!

Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread...Buffy's healing time -- Eliot, 13:47:16 04/06/02 Sat (res87512.student.nd.edu/129.74.146.52)

Thanks for the great spoilers...just a clarification:

In Extra Spoilage you mention that in Episode 20, Xander and Buffy return to the house and find Dawn, and that Buffy then takes Dawn to Spike's crypt.

Does that mean that when Willow takes the bullet out of Buffy, Buffy is well enough to be released from the hospital? Does Willow work magic that speeds Buffy's healing time, as well?

Thanks again and good luck on your paper! :)

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[> [> Yeah... -- AnGeL X, 14:19:22 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Willow removes the bullet and closes the gaping hole in Buffy's chest with magic. She awakens immediately and appropriate jokes about her dying again are made. :)

-Michelle

Re: Spuffy and Spankya -- lmwilker, 13:55:38 04/06/02 Sat (NoHost/165.139.78.132)

Hi and Thank You Michelle! I'm still confused about who knows about the Spankya when? Are Xander, Willow, Dawn and Buffy all watching or just Xander and Buffy? When do the Scoobs find out about the Spuffy? Some spoilers say Dawn and Willow know immediately by the look on Buffy's face over the Spankya while some say the heart to heart with Dawn is between Dawn and Buffy at another time? When does Xander and Anya find out? Does Xander know about the pre-existing relationship before the "rape" scene? Thank you thank you thank you AngelX and please please please let me know how to send Board Support without a credit card. I'm not a Hank. Really.

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[> [> One more time.... -- AnGeL X, 14:26:00 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

The whole gang (minus Tara and the obvious participants on the video) watch the video. Willow and Dawn know from looking at the way Buffy reacts and Buffy leaves the room and soon after confirms the truth about it in a private conversation with Dawn.

Buffy and Xander go over to the Magic Shop where Anya and Xander find out about Buffy/Spike when Spike manages to let it slip.

-Michelle
Thanks for the spoilers, Angel X; sorry to pester, but... -- Andromeda, 13:56:22 04/06/02 Sat (mid-tgn-ngy-vty156.as.wcom.net/216.192.89.156)

...could I just ask if it seems Willow is temporarily insane when she kills Warren? I mean, I know she goes berserk, but do you get the sense she isn't in her right mind?

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[> [> I don't think... -- AnGeL X, 14:34:58 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Anyone who goes through what she goes through would be in their right mind. But considering how far she ultimately takes things and as dark as she gets, I wouldn't consider temporary insanity an excuse. It goes further than just a rage-induced accidental killing. She knows what she's doing and she's determined to do it. Her friends remind her repeatedly that killing humans is wrong, but that doesn't stop her.

I don't doubt the possiblity that she'll be brought back from the darkness... but it won't be something the characters will be able to get over really quick or blame on a momentary loss of mind.

-Michelle

thanks! question re: new spoilers. -- farefree, 14:30:12 04/06/02 Sat (dhcp3816.dhcp.unc.edu/152.19.227.6)

Hi AnGeLX and thanks for all the great info.
Nitpicky, and been bothering me for a while...more so now

If warren 'accidently' kills willow how it that he takes two shots, one at buffy in the backyard (or at least downstairs) and one at tara upstairs? Is it just a case of mistaken identity? Do we believe it's an accident b/c warren pleads so with willow or do we assume it b/c there's little motivation for him to do so?

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[> [> I don't know... -- AnGeL X, 14:37:44 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

I don't have the scene, I don't know how it happens. Somehow it does and Warren doesn't realize that one of the bullets missed the target. It really isn't until his encounter with Willow at the end that he finds out that he killed Tara. Until then, he assumes Willow is after him because he shot Buffy.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- lindabarlow, 14:53:00 04/06/02 Sat (dsl092-069-065.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net/66.92.69.65)

Wow -- thanks for the great spoilers and for your patient replies to all the questions!

If you're still around and still answering... I believe you mentioned in earlier spoilers that Willow was unable to resurrect Tara because she died of natural, not magical, causes. Is this something Willow is told by someone after Tara's death? Does she actually attempt to "raise" Tara? Or does she just know it's impossible because of her prior knowledge of how magic works?

Thanks much!

--Linda

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[> [> Willow... -- AnGeL X, 15:09:08 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

Tries to resurect Tara like she did with Buffy earlier. She calls on Osiris but a demon appears and brutally rejects her request. Willow screams in agony and anger, expelling some kind of power from within herself that kills the demon.

-Michelle
Re: New Spoilers Posted... Spoiler Q & A thread... -- Kate, 14:59:45 04/06/02 Sat (spider-loh-ta032.proxy.aol.com/195.93.32.162)

Wow, pretty devastating news.

Is there just the one scene involving Dawn & Tara's body? Is it revealed what happens to Tara's body in episode 20? Does Willow come back at all after she cures Buffy?

Thank you

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[> [> Pretty much... -- AnGeL X, 15:11:55 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

There's a very quick scene where she discovers the body and then that is picked up again later when Buffy finds her in the bedroom with the body. Buffy and Xander take care of calling the coroner and the body is removed from the house soon after.

-Michelle
Thanks, Michelle and quick question -- Reddygirl, 15:21:43 04/06/02 Sat (webpac.hclib.org/65.112.121.1)

Epi 20 seems very much about Willow and her slide into dark magick. Am I right in assuming this is a Spike-light show, and that we don't get to see any of his "tests"?

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[> [> [> [> Not in 20. -- AnGeL X, 15:34:02 04/06/02 Sat (spider-ntc-tb012.proxy.aol.com/198.81.16.152)

He gets one scene in 20. It's fairly long, but it's not very revealing.

-Michelle

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