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Date Posted: 10:29:21 03/20/02 Wed
Author: Adilbrand
Subject: I have greater freedom than you can know
In reply to: mt. healthy mountaineer 's message, "Re: Time for a rant" on 10:09:58 03/20/02 Wed

However, the original question was not adressed in any particular way by either of you - was the death on the cross doctored or faked in any way?

There is no way to know. There is no proof either way. It is a debatable point.

I have greater freedom in Christ than you can know.

That seems like a strange thing to say. Freedom from what? Greater than what? Is not believing in Christ somehow limiting for other people? Since you were raised a Christian, how can you know how much freedom a zen Daoist feels? Or an Atheist? Or anyone else on the planet for that matter? Or is that your point - that since we are not you, we cannot know how free you feel, nor can you know how free we feel?

Not nitpicking, really. It just struck me as an odd thing for you to have said. It doesn't seem to have any real meaning. I can say the same thing about not being a Christian.

You say you disagree with Mark's rant. I'd like to know how. For example, I think Mark's statement, "The point is, the bible is a book. Putting your faith in some hereafter based upon a book is quite ludicrous," is quite valid.

I am pleased you do not live in fear of God, and the only reason I have to believe you might not have thought things through enough is that you seem to believe the people who claim to have written the Bible actually wrote it, despite all the evidence to the contrary. To me, that is akin to continuing to believe the world is flat despite the available evidence.

For example, Moses is said to have written the first five books of the Bible. However, "..there is hardly a biblical scholar in the world actively working on the [authorship] problem who would claim that the Five Books of Moses were written by Moses." (R.E. Friedman "Who Wrote the Bible?" Harper Collins, San Francisco, CA, (1997), Page 28) and "...it has long been recognized that... [Moses] cannot have been the author, and that the Pentateuch is in fact anonymous." (D.J.A. Clines, "Pentateuch," (an essay in B.M. Metzger et al, "The Oxford Companion to the Bible," Oxford University Press, New York, NY (1993), Page 580). These books list vast amounts of evidence that smother the traditional, inerrent, conservative view of Biblical literalists.

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Re: Time for a rant -- mvd, 10:30:06 03/20/02 Wed