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Subject: Re: DO YOU NEED BUG GUARD FROM AVON?


Author:
JOHN
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Date Posted: 07:01:34 03/24/03 Mon

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Subject: rose colored glasses


Author:
Bemused Observer
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Date Posted: 19:33:26 10/20/02 Sun

Dear Brad, I have lived here most of my life and have seen Bethel BURDENED by a everlastingly controversial, and Always costly to the Town, Woodstock site, The Town and County of Sullivan and indeed the State finally have the Prospect of something productive taking place on the site. Along comes the "World" embodied in the WPA and some others not affiliated with them to tell Bethel that this project is unwise because we may not see the income we expect. It seems to me that the town fathers would just be happy to see no more burdens placed upon the taxpayers for this site. Everything that I have seen Alan Gerry produce has been in good taste and projects uplifting to the area. Someone said in a post some time ago that Vassmers can not afford to install a new screen door. I submit to you that if the Site has been so good to Bethel over the past 30 years, They could have..... Maybe now there will be some hope for a new "Screen Door" for all of us. If WPA indeed has a case, It is Mr. Gerry you need to convince and not the Town in my humble opinion

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[> Subject: Re: rose colored glasses


Author:
EyesWideOpen
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Date Posted: 21:47:49 10/20/02 Sun

Dear Bemused,
I'd like to point out that if Bethel was "BURDENED by a everlasting controversial, and Always costly to the Town, Woodstock site..." it was no one's fault but their own. The rest of the people who DO appreciate what happened in 1969 should not have to pay for it by losing a national landmark because Bethel made some bad choices in the past.
Bethel could have done something themselves to make money off of the onslaught of tourists to the area each year, FOR 30+ YEARS. instead they chose to spend those precious tax dollars on chasing all those tourists and all of that money away.
So now, you try to criticize the WPA for caring? Caring now, instead of 30 years ago, when Bethel was so "Burdened"? That's not very realistic. This is a new generation and we shouldn't be punished for the sins of our fathers.
All I ask is that you Open your Eyes and look at EVERY view. Without your glasses.
Peace

>Dear Brad, I have lived here most of my life and have
>seen Bethel BURDENED by a everlastingly controversial,
>and Always costly to the Town, Woodstock site, The
>Town and County of Sullivan and indeed the State
>finally have the Prospect of something productive
>taking place on the site. Along comes the "World"
>embodied in the WPA and some others not affiliated
>with them to tell Bethel that this project is unwise
>because we may not see the income we expect. It seems
>to me that the town fathers would just be happy to see
>no more burdens placed upon the taxpayers for this
>site. Everything that I have seen Alan Gerry produce
>has been in good taste and projects uplifting to the
>area. Someone said in a post some time ago that
>Vassmers can not afford to install a new screen door.
>I submit to you that if the Site has been so good to
>Bethel over the past 30 years, They could have.....
>Maybe now there will be some hope for a new "Screen
>Door" for all of us. If WPA indeed has a case, It is
>Mr. Gerry you need to convince and not the Town in my
>humble opinion

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[> [> Subject: Re: rose colored glasses


Author:
Bemused
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Date Posted: 05:31:10 10/21/02 Mon

With all due respect, In what part of my letter did I criticize the WPA for caring. Indeed the Town made a bad choice by turning down the Site when Max wanted to give it to them for a dollar. But after that , Bethel was dealing with private owners who created the problems for the Town. If you remember correctly, the site lay fallow for many years, the local farmers even grew cattle corn there for some time. Woodstock was dormant for some years Do you remember June G walking around the site , collecting parking money in a cigar box? SHE OWNED the site.... All the failed proposals for concerts that the Town asked people to submit? The litany of troubles goes on and on You can not blame the present government for bad choices of the past. Water runs under the bridge. The fact remains the the site is now in Responsible hands. "Private Hands"

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: rose colored glasses


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 11:01:42 10/21/02 Mon

Private hands yes. The term responsible is basked in too much subjectivity to have it clearly define those who now hold the cards. Credibity cannot be based on the fact that Gerry is a conglomerate who will collect tickets at a gate, as opposed to a simple land owener collecting parking fees in a cigar box.

In the spirit of airing out the issues, the proposed core activities buildings were moved onto the original Woodstock site because the initial site was found to be solid bedrock. Is GF telling us that of the 1400 available acres, all accept that 38 acres Woodstock site is undevelopeable land? If building off of the woodstock site is not cost effective, then how is the rest of the PAC and district going to be built under such fiscal constraints. I'm certain that there must be a few appropriate acres off of the site where those buidling can go. Hmmmm. there's a win-win alternative. Any insights out there?


> With all due respect, In what part of my letter did
>I criticize the WPA for caring. Indeed the Town made a
>bad choice by turning down the Site when Max wanted to
>give it to them for a dollar. But after that , Bethel
>was dealing with private owners who created the
>problems for the Town. If you remember correctly, the
>site lay fallow for many years, the local farmers even
>grew cattle corn there for some time. Woodstock was
>dormant for some years Do you remember June G walking
>around the site , collecting parking money in a cigar
>box? SHE OWNED the site.... All the failed proposals
>for concerts that the Town asked people to submit? The
>litany of troubles goes on and on You can not blame
>the present government for bad choices of the past.
>Water runs under the bridge. The fact remains the the
>site is now in Responsible hands. "Private Hands"

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Subject: Spirited debate


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 20:57:29 10/20/02 Sun

I do see your point. Let me make it clear that the WPA does not embody the world. It is merely a sounding board for common concerns about the PAC, the effects on the original site and the possible negative effects on the economic outcome of the venture. If this is all part of Bethel's self determination then I guess you are saying that we need to convince the GF because they are the ones who actually embody Bethel's self-determination. Seems that if that is true, the WPA is giving Bethel more credit than you are for it's own right to determine its future. We are indeed attempting to influence the GF decisions through providing alternative perspectives, but hey seem to fall on deaf ears. The WPA has always been an open book when it comes to its views as evidenced by it's comprehensive website That's more than I can say for GF. I really hope that Vassmer's gets that screen door but right now it might just be a smoke-screen door.

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[> Subject: Re: Spirited debate


Author:
Bemused
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Date Posted: 21:55:05 10/20/02 Sun

Dear Brad, I really don't think that any of us can at this juncture do anything more than speculate as to just what the economic and cutural impact of the proposed PAC will have. You say one thing and I say another. I respect and value your opinion and do hope that your sad predictions do not come to pass. I also have enough confidence in the track record of Mr Gerry to labor some in his behalf. In this dark hour for our country, we are seeing our Liberty removed bit by bit in the name of some nebulous promise of "Safety" by the very people sworn to preserve Liberty. Regardless of just what is built on the Site, Bethel shall always have the distinction of having been the location of the "Camelot" of our generation. I wish you and yours the Very Best Regards from Bethel, NY

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Subject: Self Determination


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 09:28:58 10/20/02 Sun

It's hard to argue with your statement that Bethel will exercise it's right to self-determination. I agree that everyone has the right to shoot themselves in the foot. However , it still doesn't make it right or the brightest thing to do. You may have questions about the predicted onslaught of criticism for devleloping the site. You must also have more faith in the promises and prophesese that the planned development ensures a successful profitable outcome. I haven't seen any research or stats brought forward to support that claim either.Looks like you believe what you want to believe.

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Subject: NO WEB SITE. NO INFO. WHO IS THE GERRY FOUNDATION


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 14:02:04 10/19/02 Sat

Q: What is the best way to avert criticism. Avert debate? Keep the world from knowing your plans?

A: Make pertinent information unavailbale to the general public and the world at large.

I find it very interesting that the one of the main competitors to the Bethel PAC, the Mount Laurel PAC in Bushkill has a website that has many drawings of the proposed developements there. They have everything, including all involved parties and names, including credentials available in an OPEN BOOK manner for all the world to see.

If you look for a Gerry Foundation website, you find NOTHING!!

- NO POSTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
- NO CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE TRUE FACTS SUCH AS HOW THE SITE WILL LOOK WITH A STEEL FENCE AROUND IT
- NO LISTING OF ALL OF THE GERRY FOUNDATION STAFF WITH ACCOUNTABLE CREDENTIALS
- NO WAY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE GERRY FOUNDATION FROM OUTSIDE PARTIES.

NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!

My best answer as to WHY? is that they don't want the average citizen of Sullivan County, New York State or anyone else to know what they want to do UNTIL the Joint lead Agencies have approved and given GF carte blanche to go ahead and rip up the only thing that will draw visitors to Bethel.

Call ALAN SCOTT. DEMAND ANSWERS!!!
YOU ARE ALL BEING TREATED LIKE FOOLS.

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[> Subject: Re: NO WEB SITE. NO INFO. WHO IS THE GERRY FOUNDATION


Author:
bemused observer
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Date Posted: 18:57:36 10/19/02 Sat

>Q: What is the best way to avert criticism. Avert
>debate? Keep the world from knowing your plans?
>
>A: Make pertinent information unavailbale to the
>general public and the world at large.
>
>I find it very interesting that the one of the main
>competitors to the Bethel PAC, the Mount Laurel PAC in
>Bushkill has a website that has many drawings of the
>proposed developements there. They have everything,
>including all involved parties and names, including
>credentials available in an OPEN BOOK manner for all
>the world to see.
>
>If you look for a Gerry Foundation website, you find
>NOTHING!!
>
>- NO POSTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
>- NO CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE TRUE FACTS SUCH
>AS HOW THE SITE WILL LOOK WITH A STEEL FENCE AROUND IT
>- NO LISTING OF ALL OF THE GERRY FOUNDATION STAFF WITH
>ACCOUNTABLE CREDENTIALS
>- NO WAY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE GERRY FOUNDATION
>FROM OUTSIDE PARTIES.
>
>NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!
>
>My best answer as to WHY? is that they don't want the
>average citizen of Sullivan County, New York State or
>anyone else to know what they want to do UNTIL the
>Joint lead Agencies have approved and given GF carte
>blanche to go ahead and rip up the only thing that
>will draw visitors to Bethel.
>
>Call ALAN SCOTT. DEMAND ANSWERS!!!
>YOU ARE ALL BEING TREATED LIKE FOOLS.Item one.. The EIS is public information and a copy is available from the Bethel Town Clerk.....Item Two....CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS were released almost two years to the public, reproduced in the local papers too. Item Three.... As a registered foundation, I am sure that the Officers are listed in the Charter paperwork. Item Four. Feedback was to be provided during the Public Hearings that have been held since the beginnings of this project. With respect to Mr. Scott, He is not an employee or representative of the Gerry Foundation, He is Supervisor of the Town of Bethel, and as such has NO ability to speak for the Gerry Foundation. The Joint Lead Agencies are the Permit Granting Agencies and if any Person who sits on them were to speak for the Foundation, that could very well be perceived as a conflict. Please check your facts in the future

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[> [> Subject: Re: NO WEB SITE. NO INFO. WHO IS THE GERRY FOUNDATION


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 21:31:22 10/19/02 Sat

Thanks for the insight. You are telling me things I already know. THE POINT IS: 1. If you don't get the local papers, you don't know to go a get a copy from the town clerk. 2. If you aren't from Bethel and live somewhere esle in the state or outside the state, you don't know that anything is going on so how would you know to get the information. 3. The period for public comment is only available to those who know that one is happening. For those outside of localities that have the papers with that info in them, you are in the dark about such matters. THIS IN NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. YOU WILL FIND THAT OUT ONCE YOU DESTROY THAT LANDMARK. I see that you have been taken in by the deception too.

Hide behind your process. Hide behind your techincalities. If the Woodstock site is altered, Bethel cannot compete. Period.

Hey, I know. Why don't you call someone in Buffalo and see if they know that copy of the EIS is available from the Bethel Town Clerk, or if they know who to write to to give comments to regarding the EIS. Maybe just ask them if they know where Bethel is, and if they are ware that a piece of Americana is slated for destruction because a Town is so scared that the billionaire underwriting this insanity might take his money elsewhere, if they don't give approval to the plans.

Grow up and open your eyes


>>Q: What is the best way to avert criticism. Avert
>>debate? Keep the world from knowing your plans?
>>
>>A: Make pertinent information unavailbale to the
>>general public and the world at large.
>>
>>I find it very interesting that the one of the main
>>competitors to the Bethel PAC, the Mount Laurel PAC in
>>Bushkill has a website that has many drawings of the
>>proposed developements there. They have everything,
>>including all involved parties and names, including
>>credentials available in an OPEN BOOK manner for all
>>the world to see.
>>
>>If you look for a Gerry Foundation website, you find
>>NOTHING!!
>>
>>- NO POSTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
>>- NO CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE TRUE FACTS SUCH
>>AS HOW THE SITE WILL LOOK WITH A STEEL FENCE AROUND IT
>>- NO LISTING OF ALL OF THE GERRY FOUNDATION STAFF WITH
>>ACCOUNTABLE CREDENTIALS
>>- NO WAY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE GERRY FOUNDATION
>>FROM OUTSIDE PARTIES.
>>
>>NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!
>>
>>My best answer as to WHY? is that they don't want the
>>average citizen of Sullivan County, New York State or
>>anyone else to know what they want to do UNTIL the
>>Joint lead Agencies have approved and given GF carte
>>blanche to go ahead and rip up the only thing that
>>will draw visitors to Bethel.
>>
>>Call ALAN SCOTT. DEMAND ANSWERS!!!
>>YOU ARE ALL BEING TREATED LIKE FOOLS.Item one.. The
>EIS is public information and a copy is available from
>the Bethel Town Clerk.....Item Two....CONCEPTUAL
>DRAWINGS were released almost two years to the
>public, reproduced in the local papers too. Item
>Three.... As a registered foundation, I am sure that
>the Officers are listed in the Charter paperwork. Item
>Four. Feedback was to be provided during the Public
>Hearings that have been held since the beginnings of
>this project. With respect to Mr. Scott, He is not an
>employee or representative of the Gerry Foundation, He
>is Supervisor of the Town of Bethel, and as such has
>NO ability to speak for the Gerry Foundation. The
>Joint Lead Agencies are the Permit Granting Agencies
>and if any Person who sits on them were to speak for
>the Foundation, that could very well be perceived as a
>conflict. Plea


se check your facts in the future

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: NO WEB SITE. NO INFO. WHO IS THE GERRY FOUNDATION


Author:
Bemused Observer
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Date Posted: 22:00:59 10/19/02 Sat

>Thanks for the insight. You are telling me things I
>already know. THE POINT IS: 1. If you don't get the
>local papers, you don't know to go a get a copy from
>the town clerk. 2. If you aren't from Bethel and live
>somewhere esle in the state or outside the state, you
>don't know that anything is going on so how would you
>know to get the information. 3. The period for public
>comment is only available to those who know that one
>is happening. For those outside of localities that
>have the papers with that info in them, you are in the
>dark about such matters. THIS IN NOT A LOCAL ISSUE.
>YOU WILL FIND THAT OUT ONCE YOU DESTROY THAT LANDMARK.
>I see that you have been taken in by the deception
>too.
>
>Hide behind your process. Hide behind your
>techincalities. If the Woodstock site is altered,
>Bethel cannot compete. Period.
>
>Hey, I know. Why don't you call someone in Buffalo and
>see if they know that copy of the EIS is available
>from the Bethel Town Clerk, or if they know who to
>write to to give comments to regarding the EIS. Maybe
>just ask them if they know where Bethel is, and if
>they are ware that a piece of Americana is slated for
>destruction because a Town is so scared that the
>billionaire underwriting this insanity might take his
>money elsewhere, if they don't give approval to the
>plans.
>
>Grow up and open your eyes
>
>
>>>Q: What is the best way to avert criticism. Avert
>>>debate? Keep the world from knowing your plans?
>>>
>>>A: Make pertinent information unavailbale to the
>>>general public and the world at large.
>>>
>>>I find it very interesting that the one of the main
>>>competitors to the Bethel PAC, the Mount Laurel PAC
>in
>>>Bushkill has a website that has many drawings of the
>>>proposed developements there. They have everything,
>>>including all involved parties and names, including
>>>credentials available in an OPEN BOOK manner for all
>>>the world to see.
>>>
>>>If you look for a Gerry Foundation website, you find
>>>NOTHING!!
>>>
>>>- NO POSTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
>>>- NO CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE TRUE FACTS SUCH
>>>AS HOW THE SITE WILL LOOK WITH A STEEL FENCE AROUND
>IT
>>>- NO LISTING OF ALL OF THE GERRY FOUNDATION STAFF
>WITH
>>>ACCOUNTABLE CREDENTIALS
>>>- NO WAY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE GERRY FOUNDATION
>>>FROM OUTSIDE PARTIES.
>>>
>>>NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!
>>>
>>>My best answer as to WHY? is that they don't want the
>>>average citizen of Sullivan County, New York State or
>>>anyone else to know what they want to do UNTIL the
>>>Joint lead Agencies have approved and given GF carte
>>>blanche to go ahead and rip up the only thing that
>>>will draw visitors to Bethel.
>>>
>>>Call ALAN SCOTT. DEMAND ANSWERS!!!
>>>YOU ARE ALL BEING TREATED LIKE FOOLS.Item one.. The
>>EIS is public information and a copy is available from
>>the Bethel Town Clerk.....Item Two....CONCEPTUAL
>>DRAWINGS were released almost two years to the
>>public, reproduced in the local papers too. Item
>>Three.... As a registered foundation, I am sure that
>>the Officers are listed in the Charter paperwork. Item
>>Four. Feedback was to be provided during the Public
>>Hearings that have been held since the beginnings of
>>this project. With respect to Mr. Scott, He is not an
>>employee or representative of the Gerry Foundation, He
>>is Supervisor of the Town of Bethel, and as such has
>>NO ability to speak for the Gerry Foundation. The
>>Joint Lead Agencies are the Permit Granting Agencies
>>and if any Person who sits on them were to speak for
>>the Foundation, that could very well be perceived as a
>>conflict.
>
>
>
Dear Brad, Perhaps it is the 25? 50? 100? people who are so vocal about the PAC who should "Grow Up" and ask themselves what they have done over the past 30 years to furthur the future of the Woodstock Site. Now when Bethel is on the cusp of getting positive change, as opposed to what we have had for 30 years previously, this little group comes out of the woodwork to oppose it. I respect that you see this as a world issue, but we who live here see it on a much more local level. I ask you ,where is the outrage? whence cometh the weltschmertz? We have seen precious little of it so far. Bethel will exercise its right to self determination. For better or worse remains to be seen by you and I. In closing, I say Best Wishes to Mr. Gerry and Company and Good Luck.

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Subject: IS THIS TRUE OF NEW YORK?


Author:
Joanne
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Date Posted: 12:02:44 10/19/02 Sat

It's been said recently that "it's part of the history and culture of New York. To tear down what is old and replace it with new."

My questiion is then "How does New York preserve it's history."

The Woodstock Festival is recent history, yours and mine, and a place which must be preserved for generations to come. A piece of Americana. A part in history.
This is the only "Monument to Peace" in the world. It's the world that visits your small place on earth, your Town of Bethel.

Will they still come when the history is gone?
Is this true of the New Yorker?

Bethel is home to the original Woodstock Site and could be home to the only legendary state-of-the-art one-of-a-kind international Performing Arts Centers anywhere in the world.
Both could only benefit each other.

Don't allow permanent structures to be built on a monument. Don't let it become the place where "the original Woodstock Site used to be."

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Subject: DEMAND ANSWERS TO THE LIES


Author:
CONCERNED
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Date Posted: 22:23:43 10/18/02 Fri

It has been said that Mr Gerry has expressed that when he walks on the Woodstock field, he feels " nothing ". You have been sold a bill of goods. His plans to tear apart the Woodstock site and place a steel fence around it are contradictory to his words of sentiment in 1997. WHY? He got the land. He said what he thought everyone wanted to hear. Now the man who feels " nothing" for the site will destroy the only thing that will allow this PAC to compete....WOODSTOCK. I beg of you, Bethel. Don't be foolish. DEMAND ANSWERS to why Mr. Gerry says one thing and does another. It is YOUR future at stake.


April 24, 1997
BETHEL, NEW YORK
The following is the text of Alan Gerry's prepared remarks given April 23, 1997 announcing his purchase of the Woodstock site and his proposed plans for it.

"I would like to thank everyone for joining me on such short notice, but I think in a moment or so you will appreciate why this briefing session needed to be conducted this way. Earlier this afternoon, a key real estate agreement was completed which allows me to share with you the following information.

Granite now owns the legendary Woodstock concert site for the purpose of preserving in perpetuity this historic ground. Equally important, we have purchased the surrounding property as part of a strategic economic development plan that will create a year-round, world-class, performing arts destination center.

My biggest regret is that the person who shared this vision and embraced our goals, June Gelish, did not live long enough to join us today. What began as a business relationship between us more than a year ago became a true and honest friendship. I was privileged to know her, and of all the offers she has had in the past, I am glad that she entrusted the care of this historic site to us.

Over the last year, we have purchased a number of parcels surrounding the Woodstock site for the purpose of protecting the original concert ground and to ensure that we can add to the economic fabric of a county that I believe offers the best quality of life in the United States.

By the very nature of this strategic plan, we needed to assemble these properties quietly and without fanfare. I know there has been much speculation within the last few months, but we were compelled to remain silent pending the closure of several important tracts of land With the key parcels now under Granite's control, we can speak freely and share this news with you. The land acquisition phase is now complete.

I built my business in Sullivan County, raised a family here, and believe in everything that is good about this place I call home. I am fortunate indeed to be in a position to return something of value to this region. That is what motivated me to pursue this project.

Rather than see the Woodstock site developed by some entity, or individual, who does not respect or value its place in American history, I decided to step forward and rather than allow its enormous potential to wither away, I believe we need to explore any number of options that will make the Woodstock site, and Sullivan County, a year-round destination center -- one that will inspire a new generation of visitors from around the globe who will visit this very special place in the years to come.

I don't pretend to have a final vision of what these pastures will ultimately look like. It reflects a very special time of change that embraced an entire generation of Americans, and I appreciate that this property has been sold to me in trust to ensure that this touchstone of modern American music and culture is protected.

My comments to you, who are all friends of Sullivan County, is simply meant to let you know we have acquired the property. At this point, we have no partners and no attachments. We are literally at the beginning of a lengthy and deliberative process that will allow us to consider a broad range of options required to protect the Spirit of Woodstock and enhance the economy of Sullivan County.

While this announcement represents the very first step in safeguarding the Woodstock legacy, this much is clear: For years to come, we want generations of people from around the world to walk on those hills and be inspired by Woodstocks past, present, and future.

Their presence will enhance the Sullivan County economy and encourage investment in one of the finest recreational areas in the nation. We will have the means to celebrate Woodstock and the county that gave birth to its spirit.

This is a very special day, my friends. With this announcement, the door is open to Sullivan County so that together we may step through to a period of growth, investment, economic revitalization and renewed hope in our county's future.

It is up to all of us to make this a better place to live, a better place to work and a place the whole world wants to be a part of!

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Subject: SAVE the SITE


Author:
Cookieman
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Date Posted: 18:32:10 10/18/02 Fri

To the residents of the Town of Bethel:

The site of the Woodstock Festival is one of Bethel's greatest assets. Don't let it be destroyed by the Gerry Foundation. You can have the PAC without destroying what you already have! You can have BOTH! DEMAND IT!

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Subject: Huh....Seems he would


Author:
doesitmatter
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Date Posted: 12:06:10 10/18/02 Fri

Glad you're not part of the American Historical Preservation Society.

"We think this is special land," Mr. Gerry said. "Would you build a shopping center where Washington crossed the Delaware?"

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Subject: Bethel: The place where the Woodstock Site USE to be.


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 10:23:21 10/18/02 Fri

I've relayed this little ditty to a few of you already. A few days back I called the newspaper, The Times Union, in Albany. I spoke with a news department rep. and asked, " Are you folks following the controversy over the development of performing arts center and the destruction of the 1969 Woodstock site in Bethel? " The news department rep. responded with a pensive , " Where? "

If Bethel thinks that they are on the map, well they are truly mistaken. Altering and desecrating the site will only result in Bethel and the PAC remaining a " Where?"

Oh Well, Bushkill is just a nice .Let's go there. The Bethel Performing Arts Center: The place where the Woodstock Site USE to be. Hey, in a few years when it closes down, maybe it will make a nice fea market.

It doesn't have to be this way. Stand up to Alan Gerry and the Joint Lead Agencies. It's your future so don't shoot yourselves in the foot.

The only way you can compete with the other nearby PACs is the draw of an unaltered Woodstock site.

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Subject: Calling your local POISON CENTER is now easier than ever. Just dial 1-800-222-1222


Author:
Lee
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Date Posted: 14:09:27 10/15/02 Tue

Calling your local POISON CENTER is now easier than ever. Poison Centers have a new national 800 number. You can now call the Poison Center by dialing 1-800-222-1222.

In February 2000, the Poison Control Center Awareness and Enhancement Act was signed into law, which provided, in part, for the establishment of a single toll-free telephone number to access Poison Centers. Now, by dialing the national 800 number, your call will be digitally routed to the Poison Center responsible for that calling area. Gail Banach, director of educator at the Central NY Poison Center says that, "your Poison Center will continue to provide the same local service it has for many years.”

The addition of the national 800 number is just another way to access the Poison Center in your area. “The system works pretty much the same as 911

The Poison Control Center is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

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Subject: Woodstock vs White Lake


Author:
Maura Stone
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Date Posted: 11:54:56 10/10/02 Thu

To my fellow summer White Lake residents who are in such an uproar about Alan Gerry's project -
I find it comical, hysterical, actually that there is such interest in maintaining a piece of land that evokes memories from 1969 and absolutely no interest whatsoever on your part in trying to conserve and even reverse the dying White Lake, one of the last "clean" fresh-water lakes of New York State where you have summer property. Because NYS DEC & other NYS agencies as well as the Town of Bethel refuse to enforce the laws that have been violated, the laws that were created to keep White Lake clean, White Lake is a dying lake, suffering from overuse, pollution & wonderful lake diseases, e.g. asiatic milfoil with 100% possibility of zebra mussels. Perhaps you enjoy watching rental boats from shore 'cause you certainly can't boat nor swim due to these rental boats as well as the asiatic milfoil. Perhaps you enjoy paying high property taxes for your lakefront properties & the inability to enjoy the use of White Lake. Perhaps you prefer sitting in your SUVs on West Lake looking at the lawn where once stood Woodstock. Get your priorities straight!

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[> Subject: Re: Woodstock vs White Lake


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agree
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Date Posted: 13:56:15 10/10/02 Thu

To clarify, the Woodstock Site issue is of Global concern and the message was written from a non-local. It is very sad about what is happening to White Lake and conservation is definitely a priority. What happens to the Woodstock site will effect the success of the PAC. The level of success of the PAC will determine how much extra revenue goes into the coffers of those who can do something about White lake. Clean up and conservation takes money. It has to come from somewhere. If the resources to enable the conservation of White Lake is your golden egg, then you can appreciate that it doesn't make sense to kill the goose that laid it.



>To my fellow summer White Lake residents who are in
>such an uproar about Alan Gerry's project -
>I find it comical, hysterical, actually that there is
>such interest in maintaining a piece of land that
>evokes memories from 1969 and absolutely no interest
>whatsoever on your part in trying to conserve and even
>reverse the dying White Lake, one of the last "clean"
>fresh-water lakes of New York State where you have
>summer property. Because NYS DEC & other NYS agencies
>as well as the Town of Bethel refuse to enforce the
>laws that have been violated, the laws that were
>created to keep White Lake clean, White Lake is a
>dying lake, suffering from overuse, pollution &
>wonderful lake diseases, e.g. asiatic milfoil with
>100% possibility of zebra mussels. Perhaps you enjoy
>watching rental boats from shore 'cause you certainly
>can't boat nor swim due to these rental boats as well
>as the asiatic milfoil. Perhaps you enjoy paying high
>property taxes for your lakefront properties & the
>inability to enjoy the use of White Lake. Perhaps you
>prefer sitting in your SUVs on West Lake looking at
>the lawn where once stood Woodstock. Get your
>priorities straight!

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Subject: The PAC and the Woodstock Site: Period of Public Comment


Author:
Concerned
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Date Posted: 19:15:49 10/09/02 Wed

Bury the top of the site under buildings. Carve up the legacy and spirit. Kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

We all reap what we sow. Be careful what you wish for.

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[> Subject: Re: The PAC and the Woodstock Site: Period of Public Comment


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agree
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Date Posted: 20:15:11 10/09/02 Wed

While the threat of war looms, a small group ponders whether to destroy a symbol of peace in the name of business and progress. Moral and ethical bankruptcy of the soul does not have to be the standard of modern times. The bottom line can not translate into dollars and cents when what is at stake is only measureable in terms of historic significance and human sentiment.

Man has such a wonderful gift in intellect, creativity and and the ability to move it's own society ahead in technology and culture. It however is also cursed with the weakness of forgetting, dismissing and minimizing past events and their global interpretations,as well as the lasting meaning and lessons of those events that shape our culture.

Knowing what " the right thing " is, in deciding whether to build on, and fence the Woodstock site is not a difficult decision to make, when the criterion for making that decision includes doing what is best for " the greater good ". The quandry for the Joint Lead Agency is whether they will allow their own humanity to venture outside of the safe protective cocoon of process and politics, into the higher standard of ethics to see what is really " right ". How high are the standards of the Joint Lead Agency? I guess we will find out soon enough.




>Bury the top of the site under buildings. Carve up the
>legacy and spirit. Kill the goose that laid the golden
>egg.
>
>We all reap what we sow. Be careful what you wish for.

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Subject: Reopsted from the "Economist"


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post it
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Date Posted: 20:18:39 10/06/02 Sun




Almost everywhere, governments have taken September 11th as an opportunity to restrict their citizens' freedom



FROM the outset, the struggle against al-Qaeda was cast by George Bush as a war for freedom, and for most people, in most places, the 350 or so days that have passed since last September 11th will not be associated with any noticeable diminution of their freedom. For most Afghans, and especially Afghan women, they will surely be associated with liberation. For a few people, though, the aftermath of September 11th has brought unfair arrest, detention without trial, enforced expulsion or some other form of intrusion or repression. Even for those not directly affected by al-Qaeda's attacks, the war in Afghanistan or the anti-terrorism measures taken almost everywhere, the past 12 months may yet come to be seen as an annus miserabilis as far as freedom is concerned.

The reason is that, from motives good and bad, governments everywhere have been restricting rights or enforcing existing laws more harshly, and thus reducing the freedoms that people used to enjoy. This is not to say that they have always been wrong to do so: most people in a democracy are quite willing to suffer the inconvenience and invasion of privacy that come with a search of their bag or briefcase when they board an aircraft or enter a public building. Indeed, they might well be worried if they were as free and unimpeded in such places today as they had been a year ago. But their freedom has been curtailed nonetheless and, taken together, many such minor infringements of freedom, coupled with the precedents they create, may add up to a considerable loss of liberty.

In the United States, where the concept of freedom is built into the very idea of what it means to be an American, and where freedom is therefore never taken for granted, any attempt to reduce it is stoutly resisted. Even so, attempts there have been. Those that have caused most concern to civil libertarians fall into one of three categories. First are the administration's attempts to circumvent the law. “Bush, Ashcroft [the attorney-general, John Ashcroft] run roughshod over Bill of Rights,” says a study by the Cato Institute, a conservative Washington think-tank, a sentiment echoed by other watchdogs.

One example is the government's contention that “enemy combatants” have no rights to the due process of American law—meaning they can be denied access to a lawyer and may be detained indefinitely without trial—and moreover that the president can designate even American citizens to be enemy combatants. That is what Mr Bush has done in the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, a Louisiana-born man captured with the Taliban forces, then transferred to the American base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and now held on a naval brig in Norfolk, Virginia.

Both in his case and in that of Jose Padilla, another American, this one arrested in Chicago on suspicion of involvement in an al-Qaeda plot to set off a “dirty” bomb, the government's motive seems to be a desire to avoid civilian trials. That is thought to be because of the fierce defence put up by John Walker Lindh, an American who fought for the Taliban, and the bizarre course of the trial in a federal criminal court of Zacarias Moussaoui, accused of being al-Qaeda's 20th hijacker. If the government gets its way, though, it will be able simply to lock up enemy combatants, even Americans, without the bother of a trial. Mr Bush has already called Mr Padilla (also known as Abdullah al Muhajir) a “bad guy” and “a threat to the country who is now off the street, where he should be.” Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, has said, “We are not interested in trying and punishing him at the moment. We are interested in finding out what he knows.”



Rules are for ignoring?
A similar desire to escape legal obligations seems to lie behind the government's eagerness to bypass extradition procedures when it has transferred people suspected of links to terrorism from one country to another, neither of them the United States. Typically, such people—the numbers are unknown—will have been picked up in a country like Indonesia on CIA advice and then taken to a country such as Egypt or Jordan where they can be interrogated using procedures, including torture, that would be illegal in the United States.

A dislike of tiresome rules was also evident in the government's early reluctance to consider the (now) roughly 600 fighters held in Guantanamo Bay to be prisoners of war under the Geneva conventions. It can be seen even more clearly, though, in Mr Bush's order authorising military commissions to try suspected terrorists. Critics are appalled not just that the order betrays a profound lack of confidence in the criminal justice system, but that it also gives the president the unfettered discretion to select those who will be tried by military tribunal. He will also be the ultimate decision-maker in any appeal.

The second general category of concern about the government's anti-terror measures since September 11th is the secrecy in which they have been taken. The Cato report accuses the administration of “supporting measures antithetical to freedom, such as secretive subpoenas, secretive arrests, secretive trials and secretive deportations.” Human Rights Watch, which keeps vigil over civil liberties from New York, reported two weeks ago that “Some 1,200 non-citizens have been secretly arrested and incarcerated in connection with the September 11th investigation... Turning the presumption of innocence on its head, the Department of Justice kept [752 of them] in detention until it decided they had no links to or knowledge of terrorism... Most were ultimately removed from the United States.” Jill Savitt of Human Rights Watch worries that because so much has happened in secret, it has all been done with little public debate.



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The third area of concern is the sinister nature of some of the wider measures now being taken in the war on terror. Not surprisingly, Arabs have come under close scrutiny over the past year. Despite denials of racial profiling, the authorities stand accused of going after Muslims and Arab-Americans indiscriminately through programmes like the FBI's systematic interviewing of 5,000 people of Arab descent.



Looks funny
In truth, it would be odd if the FBI were not at work among Arab-Americans, but the need to take great care should be apparent from the lessons of history. It is now well recognised that much injustice was involved in campaigns against communists and anarchists after the first world war, in the internment of over 110,000 Japanese-Americans during the second world war and in the McCarthyite witch-hunts at the start of the cold war. Such things could never happen again, some may argue. Yet the administration has been eager to start TIPS, a Terrorism Information and Prevention System in which millions of citizens will be asked to spy upon one another and send their titbits to a central database. Recent legislation will allow the police to demand records from any business about any person, including medical records from hospitals, educational records from universities, even the reading tastes of shoppers in bookshops and borrowers from libraries.

Americans, of course, are not alone in having seen their freedoms reduced recently. Most countries have taken the opportunity of September 11th to tighten up in the name of security. Common to most of these efforts, as to many of the anti-terror measures recommended by Mr Bush in July, is the long-standing nature of the desire behind them. Often existing legislation has just been extended or amplified. Thus in early June it emerged that the British government wanted to use the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, passed two years earlier, to allow countless Whitehall departments, local authorities and other bodies to demand all manner of information about e-mails and other communications. The ensuing outcry obliged it to restrain itself somewhat, just as it soon had to rethink its desire to give foreign authorities access to information about British companies. Yet another rebuff came in July when its post-September 11th anti-terrorism act was ruled discriminatory and in breach of human-rights law. The act had given the home secretary powers to detain indefinitely foreigners suspected of terrorism without charging them or sending them for trial.



Buff up the thumbscrews
Most European countries responded to September 11th by rushing through new measures or dusting off old ones to give the police wide powers to investigate and detain suspects. The European Union brought in a long-contested warrant that allows police in one country to arrest people wanted in another for any of 32 crimes, many of them unrelated to terrorism. The European Commission has also proposed much wider definitions of terrorism and what constitutes a terrorist group. Most EU governments have also leapt at the chance to act against asylum-seekers and tighten immigration laws, though their motives in doing so have little to do with security.

They have leapt at other measures too. Thus Spain has moved to ban Batasuna, the political wing of the Basque terror group ETA; Joaquin Almunia, a former leader of the Spanish Socialist Party, says it would have been impossible before September 11th. France has amended its existing anti-terror legislation to allow the police greater freedom to stop and search cars; intended to catch terrorists, the measure is in fact chiefly used to find drugs, says Michel Tubiana, president of the League of the Rights of Man. Another amendment obliges telephone companies and Internet service-providers to keep for a year records of all their customers' communications. In practice, says Mr Tubiana, it is hard to keep only the numbers and not also the content of the messages.

Germany, too, is preparing legislation requiring e-mails and website-address records to be retained. Its internal intelligence agency, the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, has been given direct access to records held by banks, and can now ask the postal service and airlines for information on demand.

On the fringes of Europe, Russia has astutely moved to improve relations with America and, simultaneously, to crack down on the rebels in its secessionist Muslim republic of Chechnya. Despite plenty of evidence to suggest that the long years of fighting in Chechnya have been fuelled by much more than Islamic extremism, Russia has tried to portray the war as little more than an anti-terrorist struggle. Though Chechnya is undoubtedly infested with Islamic extremists, their presence hardly justifies Russia's own terror tactics. Yet Russia escapes censure, certainly from an America now absorbed above all in a global fight against terrorism.

Farther afield, India, emboldened by September 11th, has passed a law that authorises the police to detain suspects for 90 days without trial and to accept evidence from unidentified witnesses. India has long been concerned about terrorist infiltrators from Pakistan. But the real purpose, says Kapil Sibal, an opposition member of Parliament who is also a constitutional lawyer, is to use “this draconian legislation” against India's own citizens.

Hong Kong's anti-terror proposals, which define a terrorist act as one involving the use or threat of force to influence a government, have also been criticised as being so vague that they could be used against a group as unpolitical as the Falun Gong cult. Critics also worry about the power given to Hong Kong's chief executive, who can, for example, freeze the assets of anyone he considers, with “reasonable grounds”, to be a terrorist.

Much worse has happened in mainland China, or rather in its province of Xinjiang. There the government has long been persecuting Muslim Uighurs who have protested at the discrimination they suffer and at the policy of swamping them with migrants from other parts of China. In the past, though, the authorities were at pains to play down the Uighurs' protests. But since September 11th the Chinese have deemed it geopolitically correct to admit to the discontent and describe it as terrorism. Indeed, they claim that 1,000 Chinese Muslims have been trained in Osama bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan. Astonishingly, America this week obliged China by declaring a Muslim separatist group to be a terrorist organisation. Amnesty International had earlier reported thousands of political prisoners, torture and summary executions, with an intensification of the “strike-hard” anti-crime campaign leading to executions among alleged Uighur nationalists. A new wave of executions started after September 11th, it said.

Similar tales come from the new states of Central Asia. The threat of Islamism there has been used to justify ever greater repression by presidents such as Nursultan Nazarbaev of Kazakhstan and Askar Akaev of Kirgizstan, who are squelching dissent as they entrench themselves in power. The sad truth is that September 11th has given despots everywhere a licence to brand all their critics terrorists and take action accordingly. The United States, which anyway needs the help of men like Mr Akaev to prosecute its war against al-Qaeda, is often disinclined to criticise, partly because some of the measures are directly modelled on American ones. Indeed, in a hideous piece of Grand Guignol inspired directly by Mr Bush's actions, President Charles Taylor of Liberia has declared three of his critics (the editor of a local newspaper and two others) to be “illegal combatants”. They would therefore be tried for terrorism in a military, not a civilian, court, ruled Mr Taylor.



The widening crack
If all this reads like a tale of woe, no wonder: that is what it is. The world is undoubtedly less free than it was on September 10th last year. Most of the blame for this lies squarely with al-Qaeda. Many governments, it is true, have simply seized the opportunity to pass restrictive measures that they have long coveted. Others, less malign, have undoubtedly been too ready to restrict liberty in the name of an effective campaign against terror: they have reckoned, probably correctly, that the voters would be less forgiving of another terrorist attack made possible by excessive freedom than of the various new restrictions they have imposed. Security is uppermost in the minds of citizens these days, and the true price of an erosion of freedom becomes apparent only over time, which is to say after the next election.

But spare some sympathy, if you can, for the politicians. Some values—good values—are to some degree always at odds with each other, which means that governments must try to balance them. Freedom and security are two such values, even if the trade-off between them is not as simple as politicians often try to claim: a loss of freedom does not necessarily bring a commensurate gain in security.

Do not despair. Though restrictions, once in place, are always difficult to dislodge, and governments are usually loth to give power back to the people from whom they have taken it, freedoms lost can nonetheless be regained. If they are not, however, Mr Bush's fine words last September will have simply served to widen for ever the crack in the Liberty Bell.

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Subject: Good old Bethel


Author:
Spirit
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Date Posted: 21:40:43 10/04/02 Fri

To the residents of Bethel NY. In August 1969 a farmer named Max Yasgur made the corner of Hurd Rd & West Shore Rd. famous. The town of Bethel had nothing to do with the notoriety clamed by the Woodstock Music & Arts Fair. Our town just happened to be in the area. It is like being an also ran in the Boston Marathon.
The former site, which is a National Memorial to Peace, is soon to be destroyed. There will never be anything built as promised, it is only wishful thinking & if there is it will be gone in five years. Then we can go back to the time before the 1969 Festival and be just plain old Dead Broke Bethel NY like you all want.

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Subject: Letter from NYS Department of Environmental Conservation about Milfoil problem


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 18:34:25 09/27/02 Fri


Dear Supervisor Scott, As we discussed,White Lake was sampled as a part of our Lake Classification and Inventory Survey, the state's ambient lake monitoring program that rotates to a different region of the state each year. White Lake and other Sullivan County and Delaware River basin lakes were sampled on June 21, August 1, September 19, and October 25 in 2000. This sampling indicated that, in general, the lake is in pretty good shape. Water clarity was relatively high (3-4 meters, higher than in most other lakes in the area), due to relatively low nutrient and algae levels. The lake would be characerized as mesoligotrophic, or moderately unproductive, a classification common to other lakes that typically support a wide variety of recreational uses. Like many other relatively deep lakes, the bottom of the lake goes anoxic (is depleted of oxygen), although there appears to be a zone of deep, cold water that has relatively high oxygen levels (that could probably support salmonids, including trout), and the anoxia does not appear to trigger phosphorus release from bottom sediments. As such, the lake does not appear to be susceptible to fall algal blooms, as are many deeper lakes. Although the lake supported a variety of aquatic plants, including several desirable native plants such as eelgrass (Vallisneria americanum) and common waterweed (Elodea canadensis), the most common plant appeared to be the exotic macrophyte Myriophyllum spicatum (Eurasian watermilfoil). Although it did not appesr to be growing invasively, our plant surveying was limited to the launch site, so we cannot say whether or not invasive plant growth occurred in other parts of the lake. Based on the information collected in the monitoring program, we reported that no impairments appeared to exist as a result of water quality problems, although use impacts and assessments throughout the lake were necessarily limited to the surveyed areas.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if I can be of further service.


Sincerely,

Scott A. Kishbaugh, P.E.
Environmental Engineer II
Bureau of Watershed Management
Encl.

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[> Subject: Re: Letter from NYS Department of Environmental Conservation about Milfoil problem


Author:
Maura Stone
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Date Posted: 11:56:21 09/30/02 Mon

>
> Ref: Letter from Scott A. Kishbaugh, P.E.
> Environmental Engineer II
> Bureau of Watershed
>Management

When was this letter written?!? The surveys that this letter is referring to took place in 2000. We are at 3rd Q 2002 & the asiatic millfoil has spread & have become invasive as per the DEC review from their examination at White Lake this past summer 2002. Why isn't that posted? Where is their report?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Letter from NYS Department of Environmental Conservation about Milfoil problem


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Lindy
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Date Posted: 16:54:43 10/02/02 Wed

This letter had NO date on it, However I spoke to Ms.Gettle at the Town Hall and she indicated that it had been received within the past three weeks.I suggest that you call the Town Offices at 845-583-4350 and have them update you with regard to the Milfoil Project. As I become privy to more data, I will post it herein.Lindy

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Subject: AIDS. reposting


Author:
Donald Stern
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Date Posted: 19:24:50 10/01/02 Tue

The United States can stop the AIDS epidemic


by Keith Boykin





Politicians like to pretend we lack the money to fight AIDS, but what we really lack is political will. That's why AIDS activists must redefine the nation's priorities, and their own.

When you look at the dollars, it's clear that America already has the resources to stop the spread of AIDS. To see this, compare what our society spends on fighting AIDS to what we spend on other national priorities.

In the midst of the world's most serious health crisis in 700 years, our government spends only $1.1 billion a year to prevent AIDS. That may seem like a lot of money, but it pales in comparison to the $1.9 billion spent to put on the Winter Olympics this month in Utah. Imagine the condemnation of history if a 14th century European king allowed more money to be spent on a sporting event than on fighting the bubonic plague. And yet AIDS now threatens to kill more people than the at least 35 million who died from the plague.

The Bush administration proposes to spend $1 billion every single day next year on defense -- the same amount it plans to spend during the entire year on AIDS prevention. To put it another way, we will spend the same amount on AIDS prevention next year that Americans spend this Valentine's Day on candy. Makes you wonder if we're really serious about stopping AIDS.

In contrast, the president's new budget devotes $396 billion for the military. That means the United States would spend more than three times what all of our potential enemies combined spend on defense. Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, Syria, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and Libya combined spend only $117 billion annually on defense, according to the Center for Defense Information. Even in wartime, it's hard to justify such lopsided spending.

After five Americans died from anthrax last year, the government spent $5 billion to fight biological terrorism, and next year the Bush administration wants to spend an additional $5.9 billion. That's more than $2 billion for each person who died from anthrax. In contrast, 439,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and 800,000 to 900,000 Americans are HIV-infected. Why doesn't our government mount the same aggressive effort against AIDS that we've launched against anthrax?

According to recent estimates, nearly 3,000 people lost their lives in the World Trade Center disaster last year. On the same day, 8,219 people were killed by AIDS. In fact, 8,000 people die every day from AIDS.

A global campaign against AIDS would require $7 to 10 billion annually for an effective response, according to the United Nations. Why don't activists fight for that? Instead of fighting for inflation-adjusted spending hikes, it's time to make the case for huge new spending increases and to show the public that the government can and must pay for it. Just as Americans need big government to fight wars and protect us from bioterrorism, big government is the only answer to the AIDS crisis as well. This is an opportunity for America to lead the world and garner tremendous goodwill from other nations in the process.

AIDS dollars should go to people of color

We also need to make sure the money follows the demographics of the disease. AIDS disproportionately affects people of color, and that's where the bulk of the money needs to go.

Two-thirds of the 22 million people who have died of the disease worldwide are black. In this country, African Americans make up just 13 percent of the population but account for more than half of all new AIDS cases. At the same time, private contributions to many AIDS charities have decreased in recent years as the disease has become more black and brown.

In 1998, the Congressional Black Caucus convinced President Clinton to launch a $156 million minority AIDS initiative to target populations most at risk. But years later, that initiative remains woefully underfunded. Although the epidemic is worsening in the black community, the Bush administration would freeze the annual funding for the initiative at its current level of $350 million. That's roughly the same cost of a C-17 transport plane, and the Pentagon wants 12 of those next year. If we can afford a dozen new transport planes, why can't we afford to save people of color from AIDS?

In New York City, Gay Men of African Descent operates on a $1 million budget to fight AIDS, but that's not nearly enough money to make a dent in a city of 8 million people spread out over five boroughs. What does it say about our nation's priorities when Pepsi spends $2 million for a 30-second Super Bowl ad while AIDS organizations struggle to survive on half that amount for an entire year?

Make AIDS a top priority

In the richest country in the world, we spend $226 million for a single fighter jet but can't afford $15,000 a year to provide life-saving drugs for each person living with the AIDS virus. What kind of society can find billions to fight wars across the world but can't find a few thousand dollars to save someone living with a deadly disease in our own country?

If the events of Sept. 11 have taught us anything, we should know that our government can and will respond financially to critical national emergencies, but only if the government makes it a priority.

Budgets are more than just numbers. They reflect national priorities, and few priorities are more urgent than the fight against AIDS.

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Subject: Remembering White Lake


Author:
Richard Shane (used to be Rick Shangold)
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Date Posted: 07:22:28 09/24/02 Tue

Hello
I spent summers in White Lake from 1954-1968, then ocassionally visited (from Colorado, where I life) until 1997. Hadn't been up there in 5 years until last week. What a joy to reexperience the lake and woods! Learned about the Town of Bethel website and just finished looking through the "Glory Days" pictures, seeing pictures of sites I knew as a young child. Thank you. What a wonderful life it was! If anyone reading these messages knew me back then, I'd love to hear from you and find out who you are.

Richard

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Subject: WPA Statement on the Current PAC EIS


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The Woostock Preservation Alliance
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Date Posted: 16:59:30 09/19/02 Thu

September 4, 2002

WOODSTOCK PRESERVATION ALLIANCE STATEMENT ON THE CURRENT PAC E.I.S.

We ( the Woodstock Preservation Alliance ), are releasing a statement to the Town of Bethel and all agents of the media regarding the current Environmental Impact Statement and its implications for the original 38 acres known as the Woodstock Site in Bethel New York . It has been a long road in the process of approving plans for the Bethel Performing Arts District and all parties concerned are hoping for an outcome that will not only be of the best benefit to the residents of Bethel and Sullivan County, but will be one that will satisfy the need to preserve an historic landmark that is believed to belong to the world. The WPA respects that what one does with their owned property is of little business to others, however, with respects to this particular landmark, historic preservation transcends ownership.

The WPA has always embraced the idea of a performing arts district which will bring the arts and financial gain to Bethel and Sullivan County. However, the WPA is against any building of permanent structures anywhere on the original 38 acre site, and any type of security fencing that will enclose this beautiful green space into a compound, disallowing freedom to gather to reflect on its beauty and meaning. Through aggressive public and media awareness campaigning and internet communications, the WPA have amassed significant support through the signing of petitions. These petitions are scheduled to be presented to the Joint Committee by September 12. It was hoped that the final draft EIS would have brought news that the Gerry Foundation had seen the light and chose to put the proposed development away from the original 38 acre site. This however, was not the case. It appears that the Gerry Foundation has chosen cost effectiveness and the ? bottom line ? over the need to preserve a truly unique historic landmark. Simply stated, the Woodstock Preservation Alliance is very disappointed in this decision.

The WPA?s diverse group that spans generations and a wide spectrum of education, vocation and influence, have all reviewed the Environmental Impact Statement. Although parts of the document are found to be sound in principal, the idea of building the Core activities buildings on the site, are contrary to the supporters? stand of creating an ? intelligent business plan that works ?. To carve up and exploit the very landmark that will set this PAC apart from all others, is not only short-sighted, but is neither intelligent, nor will it work. The Bethel PAC with these types of modifications to the site may very well turn off more visitors than recruit their patronage. Is the Joint Council prepared to approve a plan that could jepeordize the hopes and dreams for their community?

The WPA, who was once referred to as ? an insignificant group of insignificant people? has grown in great numbers across North America and abroad. It?s means of spreading information for all to make ? informed ? opinions on the fate of the site has proven quite successful. The overall sentiment thus far is that a PAC is a positive addition to the county, however, development of the site poses a detrimental risk to the venture. The WPA is urging the Joint Council to reject the proposal and tell the Gerry Foundation to build the core activities buildings somewhere else, and not on the 38 acre site. There are 1400 acres to work with and building on the top of the site is unnecessary.

The WPA wants only the best for Bethel and Sullivan County. It wants only what is right for the Woodstock site, which is a legacy to a generation and modern history. The WPA is prepared to use its established influence to ask supporters to spread the word through communications with tourism bureaus, press, family and friends, to come to Bethel and enjoy the wonderful new Performing Arts District. WPA supporters, which come from your own backyard, to Norway to Australia are very dedicated and are ready to work with Bethel to promote this venture and make it work. The WPA, also believes in informed decisions, and therefore if the site is built on, the same diligent communication can be expected in informing the public and media of what has happened to the site. It will then be up to the public to decide whether to come or not , or tourism bureaus to promote your area. That is a gamble that the Joint Council seems to be willing to make. Again, the WPA believes in free speech and believes that what happens to the site is of interest to all. The organization has always tried to be fair in its assessment of the situation and has been the only real player to go out of its way to not make this a ? local ? issue. Should the decision be made to develop and fence the site, the WPA hopes that the rest of State, Country, Continent and World will be as enthusiastic as Bethel about the decision.

The WPA truly hopes to be able to work together to make the Performing Arts District a success for all. It has been an exercise in democracy and all sides have made their positions clear. It is a difficult choice that the Joint Council must make and the WPA extends it?s best wishes. On behalf of all who revere the site of the 1969 Woodstock Music and Art fair, we the Woodstock Preservation Alliance, wish the Joint Council and the Town of Bethel wisdom and clarity in its final decision.

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Subject: Swan Lake


Author:
Sheila Zeller Myles
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Date Posted: 22:19:34 09/18/02 Wed

The farm where Woodstock was held was in Swan Lake NY. Why is Swan Lake never mentioned? My father home was approximately 1 mile away on the road from Swan Lake to Liberty. My father's name was Albert Zeller.

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Subject: Destroy a National Landmark


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 21:29:57 09/17/02 Tue

I do not understand why the town of Bethel is allowing the destruction of a National Landmark. The preservation of the 38-acre Original Woodstock Site should be a main concern of the residents. In Springfield Ohio we preserve a former Battleground just west of the city. It certainly does not hold the significance of the Woodstock Site.

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Subject: THR Misinformation in Woodstock Article


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Wyldflower
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Date Posted: 08:37:11 09/13/02 Fri

Steve Israel wrote an article in today’s Times Herald Record…

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2002/09/13/siwooddo.htm

Once again, Steve only tells part of the story! These are my initial thoughts about the story. (I am sure I will have other thoughts to pass along later, after I calm down some more.)

What he missed was:

1. The Town WILL be accepting Public Comment after it accepts the FEIS as complete, probably on Sept 26 (which is the next step prior to the Town’s decision regarding possible approval). This has been told to me many times, but Steve either ignores or is not aware of this fact.

2. The WPA has made arrangements with the Town that these signatures WOULD be incorporated in the NEXT Public Input period. Did he even ask? If he asked, then he reported incorrectly!

3. Has it never occurred to Steve that there may be more than one person with the same name (Phil Donohue)?

Steve has told a STORY… he is not REPORTING in an objective manner, from what I can see. He is selective about what he tells, or he is ignorant of some of the facts.

These are my personal thoughts, although, once the Woodstock Preservation Alliance Board of Directors has a chance to discuss this, I am sure there will be agreement and a further statement.

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Subject: How he Catskills were named


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Larry Seitelman
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Date Posted: 18:52:46 09/09/02 Mon

I hope this helps resolve your grandchild's question.
This is from a wonderful historical site-Catskill Archive; Here is specific page reference as copied afterwards;
http://www.catskillarchive.com/rockwell/11.htm

This sketch which follows is from a work entitled "Spanish Papers, and other Miscellanies hitherto unpublished or uncollected, by Washington Irving, arranged and edited by Pierre M. Irving, in two volumes. New York, 1866." What is here given is from Vol. ii., pages 480-487 :

The Catskill, Katskill, or Cat River Mountains, derived their name in the time of the Dutch Domination, from the catamounts by which they were infested, and which, with the bear and the deer, are still found in some of their most difficult recesses. The interior of these mountains is in the highest degree wild and romantic. Here are rocky precipices mantled with primeval forests, deep gorges walled in by beetling cliffs, with torrents tumbling as it were from the sky, and savage glens rarely trodden except by the hunter. With all this internal rudeness, the aspect of these mountains towards the Hudson at times is eminently bland and beautiful, sloping down into a country softened by cultivation and bearing much of the rich character of Italian scenery about the skirts of the Appenines.

The Catskills form an advanced post or lateral spur of the great Alleghanian or Appalachian system of mountains, which sweeps through the interior of our continent from southwest to northeast, from Alabama to the extremity of Maine, for nearly fourteen hundred miles, belting the whole of our original confederacy, and rivalling our great ....

Perhaps if Rita checks in, she might consider this site for a newsletter heads-up!
Larry S.

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Subject: How Catskills were named


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Pat/Mum
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Date Posted: 18:09:24 09/08/02 Sun

Perhaps someone can help. This summer my grandson asked "How did the Catskill Mountains get their name?" We checked on the internet and in the local library. No luck! I have e-mailed different people but so far I haven't gotten any real answers. One newspaper did reply that they had no idea. The little information I got referred to H. Hudson (yes-the River guy) and the Dutch.
If anyone can direct me to sources, I thank you in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: How Catskills were named


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Lynn
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Date Posted: 19:25:48 09/08/02 Sun

I would think that the best source for this would be the book"To the Mountains by Rail" By Manville B. Wakefield.I think he wrote a "History Of Sullivan County" too. Also there is a book long out of print, "Brass Buttons and Leather Boots", a history of Sullivan County during the Civil War. There is a link to the Sullivan County Historical Society on the links page in this site and you might also email Mr. John Conway, the County Historian..

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Subject: Bethel PAC


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Post it
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Date Posted: 19:07:24 09/03/02 Tue



By CHRIS CONROY

BETHEL — After one deadline extension, the environmental impact statement (EIS) for the Bethel performing arts center (PAC) has arrived.

The document, presented by Gerry Foundation (GF) officials on Friday, August 23, contains the bulk of the information required for the town to determine if the PAC project will be beneficial to the town. Contained in the statement are analyses of traffic patterns, historical significance of the building site, site plans and many other aspects that will either affect the project or effects that will be caused by the project.

An extension had been requested by GF officials due to the volume of response from the public following the required public hearings on the draft version of the EIS. The revised version addresses many of those concerns.

According to supervisor Alan Scott, there is one more round of review that needs to take place before a final decision is made on the project. “[This part of] the project is still within 20 days of the initial completion target,” Scott said. “Groundbreaking this fall is not something I would wager a lot of money on… a spring groundbreaking, probably.”

Scott also emphasized that within the document, and at no time in the course of the planning of the project, has the idea of the PAC being a tax-exempt property been seriously discussed.

The EIS has been forwarded to the town planner, Tom Shepstone, and his review committee for evaluation before it is presented to the joint planning and town boards.

At the meeting the board also:

referred an ambulance service agreement from MobileMedic to legal counsel for review;
announced that practice for the annual International Aerobatic Club contest would begin on September 5. Exercises should remain confined to the airspace immediately around the Sullivan County International Airport;
accepted the supervisor’s disclosure that he has met with Woodstone Development partner Howard Shure regarding the marketing of a piece of property owned by Scott’s wife. Scott recused himself from any voting related to Woodstone Development issues.
requested from the highway department, at the behest of numerous residents, that Old Tacey Road be paved as soon as possible. Residents on that road said they had been waiting for seven years for it to be paved;
announced that a USDA and New York State Agriculture and Markets clean up and decontamination of an outbreak of Asian flu in a number of birds at one location is nearly complete. The flu is not a threat to humans, but deadly to many types of fowl. Scott said the agents on site were confident that the outbreak had been contained and no other locations were at risk for contamination;
reported that the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) requested that any discussion of bald eagle nesting areas in the town take place in executive session. Scott said the DEC sited environmental legal proceedings as a reason for the executive sessions;
announced that Jake Gunther will present the town with a flag that has flown over the White House. The flag will be mounted in the town courthouse on the wall behind the judge’s bench;
agreed to have the highway department look into the status of the right-of-way that was once Moscoe Road, before the Toronto Reservoir was filled. This is at the request of the Smallwood Civic association, which is seeking to have access to the reservoir off of Pine Grove Road re-opened; and
entered into executive session to discuss a personnel matter.

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Subject: Thanks, Bethel!


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Ronnee Ringquist
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Date Posted: 18:24:24 08/24/02 Sat

Many thanks to the good folks at Hector's Inn for giving me such a warm reception at Woostock Weekend! You guys are great, and I wish I could have played for you all night! Also, thanks to Clint Partridge, Chuck Smith and Spirit of Bethel Records for all that you do. I'm glad to be involved with this group of fine people who are singing out and working hard to make a difference in this world. I look foward to coming back to Bethel soon!

Ronnee Ringquist
Singer/Songwriter/Guitarist
http://listen.to/Ronnee

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Subject: THR Artical


Author:
kind soul
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Date Posted: 11:46:57 08/22/02 Thu

About time we got to Woodstock
Americans can use a lovefest in this summer of angst.

If there were ever a summer that cried out for a little peace, love and rock 'n' roll, this is it.
We Americans are an agitated lot in August 2002 and with good reason.
The first anniversary of the deadliest attack on American soil is approaching, giving rise to old memories and new emotions. The war on terrorism that sprang from that horrific day continues. American lives have been lost in Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida terrorist network. More deaths are certain.
At home, we now have daily reminders of the threat of terrorism as well as the risk of government overreacting to the threat by depriving citizens of their constitutional rights. We are wary air travelers. We can't bring backpacks into ballparks anymore and, to add insult to injury, the ballplayers are talking about going on strike because they can't manage to get by on an average salary of $2.3 million a year.
Meanwhile, most working people are worried to death that their pension plans will either be looted by corporate executives who lied about their companies' finances to enrich their own bank accounts or be drained by a Wall Street swoon brought on by the continuing lack of trust in corporate America and the Bush administration's inexplicable inability to recognize that it has to do more than cluck at lying CEOs.
Then there's the drought and the unending string of 90-plus degree days. The heat enflames road rage. Of course, we are still angry at the Catholic Church for doing nothing for years about priests who sexually abused children and lately we are petrified that some maniac will grab our kids off the street.
Television doesn't offer any relief. Its idea of entertainment is having cameras follow "real" people around, snooping on them as they do really idiotic things. A 'burger might taste good, but it would be better if they'd stop warning us about
E. coli. And hiking would be a lot more fun if we didn't have to worry about West Nile Virus and Lyme Disease.
And of course, President Bush seems determined to go to war with Iraq so that Saddam Hussein can use weapons of mass destruction against Americans. (No, that's not necessarily backwards.)
This, of course, is above and beyond the daily travails of home and work and school, of paying taxes and raising kids and wondering whatever happened to popular music.
So welcome, Woodstockers. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Your annual visit to the field and the farm in Bethel where more than 400,000 of you gathered in 1969 to share your lives for three muddy, love-filled days has never been more timely.
It may not be as splashy as other Woodstock anniversaries, but that's good, too. We need to quiet our heads a little. We need to reflect and relax, listen to some good music, have a veggie burger and catch up on each others' lives. We need to remember and re-energize the spirit of unity, pride and caring that brought us together as a nation following Sept. 11, 2001. Seeing some of the Woodstock nation return for a few days should help.
So enjoy the visit, hippies. Be cool. And, neighbors, cut 'em a little slack.
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Subject: Came to see for myself


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 08:58:58 08/19/02 Mon

Hello Bethel. Made the trek down from Ontario, Canada to your fair town this weekend to catch some of the energy of 500,000+ kids that is still trapped in that hill that you like to guard. I had a wonderful time at Woodstock on the Lake and an even better time at Roy and Jeryl's. As a voice with the Woodstock Preservation Alliance and someone who tries to be fair in the analysis of any debate, y'all better wake up and embrace what you have at the corner of West Shore and Hurd. Nothing like being yelled at trying to take a couple of pictures on top of the hill. Thanks Gerry Foundation. Thanks Bethel. Where are the guys with rifles, dark sunglasses on horseback to chase off the tourists. If this is part of GF's " smart business plan that works ", I don't see Vassmer's getting a new screen door from the increase in business any time soon. Wake up Bethel. Tell Gerry's watchdogs not to treat the tourists like shit. It tends to get around and will bite you in the ass. Peace.

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[> Subject: Re: Came to see for myself


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DarleneM
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Date Posted: 08:32:49 08/22/02 Thu

I had the same experience when I went to the site. I wrote a letter to the Sullivan County Visitor's Association. What a disgraceful display when visitors are made to feel so unwelcomed at such a beautiful historic place.



>Hello Bethel. Made the trek down from Ontario, Canada
>to your fair town this weekend to catch some of the
>energy of 500,000+ kids that is still trapped in that
>hill that you like to guard. I had a wonderful time at
>Woodstock on the Lake and an even better time at Roy
>and Jeryl's. As a voice with the Woodstock
>Preservation Alliance and someone who tries to be fair
>in the analysis of any debate, y'all better wake up
>and embrace what you have at the corner of West Shore
>and Hurd. Nothing like being yelled at trying to take
>a couple of pictures on top of the hill. Thanks Gerry
>Foundation. Thanks Bethel. Where are the guys with
>rifles, dark sunglasses on horseback to chase off the
>tourists. If this is part of GF's " smart business
>plan that works ", I don't see Vassmer's getting a new
>screen door from the increase in business any time
>soon. Wake up Bethel. Tell Gerry's watchdogs not to
>treat the tourists like shit. It tends to get around
>and will bite you in the ass. Peace.

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Subject: Literacy Volunteers Needs You


Author:
June Barrett
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Date Posted: 04:52:54 08/22/02 Thu

Many Sullivanites can not read this message. We, at Literacy Volunteers/SC, tutor adults on a one to one basis, free of charge. Contact LVA Office in the United Way Bldg in Monticello, 794-0017.
We also need volunteers to tutor, work in our Read It Again Bookstore, and help out on our various committees. Literacy gives you the wings for exploring. Join us.

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