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Subject: woodstock


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Date Posted: 18:03:45 04/03/07 Tue

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Subject: Living in the Town of Bethel


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Date Posted: 07:12:56 08/17/02 Sat

I lived in Smallwood in the '70's and graduated from Monticello High School in 1974, later attending Sullivan County Community College. I was Pam Cohen in those days. My dad was the produce manager (later a produce supervisor) for the Waldbaum's in the old Monteco Plaza in Monticello. The hotels were, to some extent, still in their heyday, and the area was still thriving. It was a wonderful place to live and grow and I have great memories that I'll treasure always.

Being the anniversary of the original (and best) Woodstock Festival, my hubby and our kids and I are watching the Woodstock video and teaching our children the lessons that the festival taught us all - that people can come together in peace to accomplish much, whether just a statement or far more.

A big shout out to all who may see this that knew me in those days. Would love to hear from you. You can contact me at Rpc753@optonline.net

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Subject: Transgender Murders


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Date Posted: 19:04:34 08/16/02 Fri

Subject: HRC press release & E. Birch comments on DC Teen Murders

THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN MOURNS
THE BRUTAL MURDERS OF TWO TRANSGENDER WASHINGTONIANS

HRC Calls on the District Police to Continue
to Work with Urgency to Ensure Justice
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, Aug. 14, 2002

WASHINGTON — The Human Rights Campaign continues to mourn the deaths of two
transgender women who were brutally gunned down in southeast Washington
earlier this week. Members of HRC's staff attended a vigil last night in
memory of Stephanie Thomas and Ukea Davis, and the group vowed to fight for a
more secure world for transgender Americans.

"While nothing can bring Stephanie Thomas and Ukea Davis back, we can honor
their memory by promoting tolerance and justice in their names," said HRC
Executive Director Elizabeth Birch, who attended the vigil. "The Human Rights
Campaign is proud to celebrate their lives and we will work to ensure that
transgender Americans are safe and secure in the District and in this
nation."

It is still unclear whether the murders were hate crimes. Sgt. Brett Parson,
head of the Metropolitan Police Department's gay and lesbian liaison unit,
told The Washington Post today that investigators have no suspects and "are
still exploring all the possibilities."

However, the sheer ferocity of the attacks — each victim had at least 10
bullet wounds — is consistent with the brutality often associated with hate
crimes. Additionally, friends and relatives of the victims say that they were
frequently harassed. HRC today called on the Police Department to continue
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"We are glad that the Washington police responded so quickly in their
investigation of this case," said Birch. "We urge them to work with continued
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District Mayor Anthony Williams attended the vigil along with activists,
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outcome of the investigation, the murders are having the effect of hate
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"Hate crimes are unique in that they affect more than just the immediate
victims," said Birch. "These crimes are meant to send a message of fear to
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murderers are caught, no member of the GLBT community will feel completely
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The Human Rights Campaign is the largest national gay and lesbian political
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gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans can be open, honest and safe
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Subject: Re: Many return every to visit the old Woodstock site.


Author:
Martin Clarke
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Date Posted: 17:27:30 08/15/02 Thu

Listening to the old Woodstock tapes now. Hard to believe the world had it right for a weekend in August 33 years ago. I live in the UK am 24years of age and keep the woodstock memory alive (many would call it sad, I suppose their right) But I enjoy what I do, even if it is living in the past. Woodstock Forever.



> Many people travel across the USA and the World to
>visit your Woodstock site every year. Not only in
>August but all year. They spend their money in the
>cities of Sullivan County.
>If you let Alan Gerry build on the old site, there
>will be no reason for them to return. The PAC will
>bring in a good income for Alan. I hope the residents
>don't expect to see any of it. How much did you see
>from A DAY IN THE GARDEN? I live in Ohio, something
>similar to PAC was built in our town. It was called
>CHARLIE STAR, It was the largest show bar in the USA.
>Top name entertainment was scheduled to perform there.
>I do recall a performer named George Jones was there,
>I was among the 58 people who went to see him, not
>many more were there to see Alabama or Bill Cosby.
>This was located in the center of the Major cities of
>Ohio & Indiana such as, Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus,
>Cleveland, & Indianapolis. I am confident the PAC will
>meet the same fate as Charlie Star (now a Flea
>Market). Keep the field free remove the fences push
>for camping on the site the way it was before. Build
>the PAC in an area where it can be turned into a Flea
>Market like Charlie Star. I remember the first time I
>brought my kids to Bethel, The first thing they said
>when we turned on 17B is "Where Is The Old Site." In
>2035 (33 years from now) when visitors come to Bethel,
>will they want to know where the PAC is? Anyway, GOOD
>LUCK in what ever you decide.

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Date Posted: 16:32:54 08/07/02 Wed



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Subject: Freedom Editorial from The River Reporter by Chris Conroy


Author:
Lindy
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Date Posted: 16:53:04 07/23/02 Tue



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Writing this is hard.

Not the words, I’ve used them all before. It’s the actual writing. Putting it down on paper, in a permanent form, makes it somehow more real. It makes me more accountable for my own thoughts than I am when just talking among friends and colleagues.

The good news is, that right now, I can write this with little fear of my ideas being used against me.

The bad news? A year from now I may not be as safe when I write things down.

Right now there are a number of programs working their way through our national government that stand to severely impact our freedoms.

In the name of Homeland Security, wrapped in a cloak of patriotism and fed on the fires of anger, anguish and fear, the Bush administration is forwarding an agenda started months before September 2001. That agenda threatens to swing the balance of power away from “We the People” toward more heavy-handed government than has been seen in this country since the Civil War.

In February of 2001, shortly after he was legislated into office, President George W. Bush signed his first National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD). The NSPD replaced two other forms that the previous administrations had used to propose ideas to the National Security Council (NSC). In this first ever NSPD, which was approved by the NSC, Bush began his governmental restructuring. It is in this document (available in the archives of the Federation of American Scientists at www.fas.org/irp), the NSC’s structure was changed, eliminating many of the pre-existing inter-departmental communications committees and replacing them with new groups. It is in this document that the beginnings for the current restructuring are laid.

Three months later, on May 9, NSPD 5 of 2001 began a review of U.S. intelligence. This action came less than a year after the Federal Bureau of Investigation was raked over the coals by many electronic privacy advocacy groups for use of its “Carnivore” program. What Carnivore did was scoop up e-mail as it traveled through servers, sifting through the contents looking for specific key words. According to documents released as a result of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) filings by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC, www.epic.org), in at least one case, the e-mails gathered weren’t even close to what the FBI expected to get. Accidentally, it seems, they snooped a good bunch of people’s personal mail instead of the suspects they were after. Obviously, some kind of review was needed.

Four months later, the world as we knew it ended.

As a result of the September 11 attacks, Bush presented Executive Order 13228 on October 8, creating the Office for Homeland Security, with former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge as its head.

Since that date, more legislation has been pushed through in the name of creating a safer country. Some of that legislation has virtually removed rights for groups of people. Under the PATRIOT act, for example, those suspected of being illegal immigrants to the U.S. can be detained indefinitely without cause, explanation or official charges. Also allowable under the aforementioned bill are “roving wire taps” (which allow Federal law enforcement to move phone taps to follow a suspect), expanded search and seizure powers and reduced requirements to justify law enforcement actions when pursing the loosely defined “domestic terrorist.”

With the current push to create a cabinet level Department of Homeland Security, it is important for all Americans (and even more important for those who have come or wish to come to the U.S.) to look closely at what our Federal legislators and our Commander-In-Chief are proposing. As it is written now, the Department of Homeland Security would be exempt from many Freedom of Information Law requests, would be able to block investigations into its actions for at least thirty days and would consolidate all intelligence gathering and many enforcement agencies into one department that answers only to the President himself.

What worries me is that “We the People” are letting this happen. Most national media seem to be too busy looking for the next big explosion to worry about what our own government may have in mind for the future. Most citizens are too wrapped up in patriotic rhetoric to speak out against “the greatest government in the world.”

Ben Franklin once said, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” This thought should be at the forefront of our social consciousness. Situations similar to this one have been seen before in history much more recent than Franklin’s time. Duke University history professor Claudia Koonz reminds us that during troubled economic and social times in the first half of the 20th century, “…Germans rallied to one-man-one-party rule, uniforms, flags and rifles, mass rallies, racial hatred, and appeals to national glory.”

Our government is being reorganized now. This is the time for those concerned to speak out and ensure our continued ability to do so without fear.

I’m not afraid of the terrorists. I can deal with their threats of death. What I’m afraid of is what our own government can become. It must remain accountable to us. That is what our freedom is all about. When we give away our freedoms, putting pen to paper, or even just speaking our minds, can brand any of us a terrorist.

Chris Conroy, TRR Webmaster


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Subject: Greetings.


Author:
Audrey
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Date Posted: 08:19:56 07/12/02 Fri

Greetings from North Wales, U.K. I was interested to see your site because the next village to where I live is named Bethel. Have you any Welsh connections.
Best wishes to you all.

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Subject: Nostalgia


Author:
James Hurst
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Date Posted: 12:45:07 06/27/02 Thu

I lived in Smallwood as a child 1953-56 and recall the memories more often these days. Would anyone like to correspond. Jim

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Subject: Boating Safety concerns for White Lake


Author:
Mary-Ellen Seitelman
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Date Posted: 09:04:11 06/19/02 Wed

An Open Message to our Town Board:

As longtime residents of White Lake, we are disturbed by the lack of action being taken regarding the proliferation of jet skis, and rental boats. Both of these reduce the quality of enjoyment and use of the lake. The town of Bethel appears to have abdicated its responsibilities for maintaining the safety of its citizens.

According to New York State law, personal watercraft (PWC), otherwise known as jet skis, are to be operated 500 feet from designated swimming areas. If that rule was enforced, jet skis could not ride through most of White Lake as there are distances from opposite shores that are less than 1200 feet. (Two designated 100 foot swimming areas, plus two 500 foot buffer zones would prohibit use in that part of a lake). The channel is not even 1000 feet wide. These distances were created in the state code in response to citizens’ demand for protection from known accident and hazard experiences. In fact, the state legislators and the governor went even further, permitting local governments to impose even harsher restrictions on PWC’s. Discriminatory rules against Personal Water Craft, including total ban, have been imposed on many lakes and waterfront areas. The town of Bethel, in creating its recent boating law, has over-ridden the state guidelines permitting operation of PWC’s as close as 100 feet from shorelines. This flies in the face of all other boating regulations passed elsewhere, which recognize the distinct hazards of PWC’s. Rental boats, and jet skis in particular, are particularly dangerous, as they are typically operated by inexperienced individuals.

If jet skis were used according to state guidelines, on either the White Lake or Kauneonga Lake sides, they would be concentrated in such a small area as to be a danger to each other. When lakes the size of Lake George are considering banning these types of watercraft, I am amazed that not only are no actions being taken to remove jet skis from White Lake, there appears to be no restrictions on the number of permits that will be issued. Allowing jets skis on the lake is a serious safety issue. Allowing unlimited numbers of jet skis on this small lake seems to be a total disregard for safety. I am concerned for my own safety as well as all others who use the lake. Furthermore, should an accident occur, I believe the town could be held liable for any injuries or deaths as there do not appear to be any rules that insure safety. Failure to limit the number of rental boats along with your new boating guidelines, only serves to increase the possibility of accidents.

If any new regulations have been instituted to provide safeguards for all those who use the lake, please let us know about them.

Mary-Ellen and Larry Seitelman
White Lake, NY

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[> Subject: Re: Boating Safety concerns for White Lake


Author:
Marjorie Smith Ward
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Date Posted: 07:52:12 06/22/02 Sat

I grew up in the area and I can remember way back in the late 50s early 60s that there was a lot of concern over the lake. The fact that motorboats? (not sure that is the correct word) were polluting the lake.

Again not sure if this is the correct word but water skiers were thought of as a danger too.

Thanks

>An Open Message to our Town Board:
>
>As longtime residents of White Lake, we are disturbed
>by the lack of action being taken regarding the
>proliferation of jet skis, and rental boats. Both of
>these reduce the quality of enjoyment and use of the
>lake. The town of Bethel appears to have abdicated
>its responsibilities for maintaining the safety of its
>citizens.
>
>According to New York State law, personal watercraft
>(PWC), otherwise known as jet skis, are to be operated
>500 feet from designated swimming areas. If that rule
>was enforced, jet skis could not ride through most of
>White Lake as there are distances from opposite shores
>that are less than 1200 feet. (Two designated 100 foot
>swimming areas, plus two 500 foot buffer zones would
>prohibit use in that part of a lake). The channel is
>not even 1000 feet wide. These distances were created
>in the state code in response to citizens’ demand for
>protection from known accident and hazard experiences.
> In fact, the state legislators and the governor went
>even further, permitting local governments to impose
>even harsher restrictions on PWC’s. Discriminatory
>rules against Personal Water Craft, including total
>ban, have been imposed on many lakes and waterfront
>areas. The town of Bethel, in creating its recent
>boating law, has over-ridden the state guidelines
>permitting operation of PWC’s as close as 100 feet
>from shorelines. This flies in the face of all other
>boating regulations passed elsewhere, which recognize
>the distinct hazards of PWC’s. Rental boats, and jet
>skis in particular, are particularly dangerous, as
>they are typically operated by inexperienced
>individuals.
>
>If jet skis were used according to state guidelines,
>on either the White Lake or Kauneonga Lake sides, they
>would be concentrated in such a small area as to be a
>danger to each other. When lakes the size of Lake
>George are considering banning these types of
>watercraft, I am amazed that not only are no actions
>being taken to remove jet skis from White Lake, there
>appears to be no restrictions on the number of permits
>that will be issued. Allowing jets skis on the lake
>is a serious safety issue. Allowing unlimited numbers
>of jet skis on this small lake seems to be a total
>disregard for safety. I am concerned for my own
>safety as well as all others who use the lake.
>Furthermore, should an accident occur, I believe the
>town could be held liable for any injuries or deaths
>as there do not appear to be any rules that insure
>safety. Failure to limit the number of rental boats
>along with your new boating guidelines, only serves to
>increase the possibility of accidents.
>
>If any new regulations have been instituted to provide
>safeguards for all those who use the lake, please let
>us know about them.
>
>Mary-Ellen and Larry Seitelman
>White Lake, NY

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Subject: Many return every to visit the old Woodstock site.


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 11:08:17 06/14/02 Fri

Many people travel across the USA and the World to visit your Woodstock site every year. Not only in August but all year. They spend their money in the cities of Sullivan County.
If you let Alan Gerry build on the old site, there will be no reason for them to return. The PAC will bring in a good income for Alan. I hope the residents don't expect to see any of it. How much did you see from A DAY IN THE GARDEN? I live in Ohio, something similar to PAC was built in our town. It was called CHARLIE STAR, It was the largest show bar in the USA. Top name entertainment was scheduled to perform there. I do recall a performer named George Jones was there, I was among the 58 people who went to see him, not many more were there to see Alabama or Bill Cosby. This was located in the center of the Major cities of Ohio & Indiana such as, Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, & Indianapolis. I am confident the PAC will meet the same fate as Charlie Star (now a Flea Market). Keep the field free remove the fences push for camping on the site the way it was before. Build the PAC in an area where it can be turned into a Flea Market like Charlie Star. I remember the first time I brought my kids to Bethel, The first thing they said when we turned on 17B is "Where Is The Old Site." In 2035 (33 years from now) when visitors come to Bethel, will they want to know where the PAC is? Anyway, GOOD LUCK in what ever you decide.

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Subject: Gathering at Hurd Rd & Shore Rd in August


Author:
Local land owner
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Date Posted: 20:57:50 06/06/02 Thu

You are invited to Shore & Hurd at a later announced date in August to observe Alan Gerry destroy a National Monument to Peace. I hope all my neighbors of Bethel enjoy it.
My feeling it is like 911 taking place right in our own back yard. I hope you are all proud of what is taking place.
I may bring some water and sell it to you for $4 or $5 bucks a bottle. Maybe Alan will hire me to run the concessions. Peace, and see you at the Destruction Site.

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[> Subject: Re: Gathering at Hurd Rd & Shore Rd in August


Author:
shred
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Date Posted: 12:45:06 06/07/02 Fri

You know that all of this is another form of control from the corporate world who can't have any threats. That's why the cops have been destroying any form of fun on the site during gatherings in the last years, that's why so many hippy websites have mysteriously disappeared, it's all a fear of being overthrown and the hippy scene has always been capable of doing "dangerous" things. No more control in America? Boo hoo.

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[> Subject: Re: Gathering at Hurd Rd & Shore Rd in August


Author:
TinaN
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Date Posted: 08:33:19 06/12/02 Wed

Oh, like 9/11, huh? So he's gonna have THOUSANDS of innocent people there to kill? Yes, it's a historical site, but don't denigrate the horrors of 9/11 by comparing a land development deal with the terrorism of that day.

>You are invited to Shore & Hurd at a later announced
>date in August to observe Alan Gerry destroy a
>National Monument to Peace. I hope all my neighbors of
>Bethel enjoy it.
>My feeling it is like 911 taking place right in our
>own back yard. I hope you are all proud of what is
>taking place.
>I may bring some water and sell it to you for $4 or $5
>bucks a bottle. Maybe Alan will hire me to run the
>concessions. Peace, and see you at the Destruction
>Site.

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Subject: Heres another logical argument


Author:
Jerry
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Date Posted: 13:57:04 06/08/02 Sat

from a Sullivan resident:

Letters to the editor for June 8, 2002

Preserve Woodstock
I feel very strongly that, while a performing arts center is a positive development for Bethel and Sullivan County, the 38-acre Woodstock site should remain undeveloped.
Thousands of people come to Bethel from all over the world every year because of what happened there in 1969. The center could, and probably would, draw even more visitors to Bethel. However, if buildings were put on the original field, the positive draw to your town would likely be diminished.
They want to see the original field open to allow a feeling of peace and freedom. It is a part of their past, present and hopefully their future.
The town should allow and promote the building of the PAC. I could picture the PAC built overlooking the original site, which would be a wonderful attraction, just not on the 38-acre field. If the field were developed, it would be like taking away a great historic landmark. I feel it would be a great loss to your town, our country and the world.
To build upon that land would show selfishness and greed. To maintain preservation of that land shows love and pride.
Do the right thing. Preserve the original 38-acre Woodstock site.
Mrs. Wendi L. Smith
Woodridge

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Subject: Fred Martinez


Author:
Laurie
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Date Posted: 23:19:08 06/04/02 Tue

The Colorado Anti-Violence Program (CAVP) responded with approval
today at the forty year sentence imposed by Judge Hanson on Shawn
Murphy, who pled guilty to second degree murder in the death of Fred
Martinez, Jr. in Cortez, Colorado last June. The sentence is only
five years less than the maximum allowed, and it will be twenty-five
years before Shawn Murphy is eligible for parole.

"It has been a difficult and grueling year for Pauline Mitchell and
her family," said Denise de Percin, Executive Director. "The
evidence presented by the prosecution and the strong and emotional
victim impact statement read by Pauline Mitchell to the court clearly
convinced the judge of the profound impact of the loss on Fred's
family and community."

Members of the local lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community
organization, 4 Corners Gay and Lesbian Alliance for Diversity, have
been working closely with Pauline Mitchell since last June, and have
provided support for her through the criminal justice process. "One
can't be really be completely satisfied in a situation like this, but
Pauline is at peace with the verdict, and its as good a result as we
could have hoped for," said John Peters-Campbell, 4cGLAD board member
from Cortez. "Shawn Murphy will spend most of his adult life in
jail."




Statement of Pauline Mitchell at the sentencing hearing on June 3,
2002 of Shawn Murphy, who pled guilty to the murdered her son Fred
Martinez, Jr. in Cortez, Colorado last June.

I am Pauline Mitchell. My son Fred C. Martinez, Jr., F.C. as he was
known by family and friends, left this world much too soon because of
those who fear and hate anyone who is different. I have come to
discover that many, many people do care about Fred, Jr. It's hard
especially when you have to talk about your baby this way. He was
killed because he was different. To some people Fred said he was
"transgender", to others "gay", to some "Nadleeh," a Native American
word for people who live in the worlds of both female and male. To
me, these labels mean nothing -- and they meant nothing to F.C. He
used these terms to make other people comfortable, not himself. You
should also know that those "other people" did not include his
family. We loved FC exactly as he was - and it is so sad that fear
and hate of difference put young people like Fred and many others in
the path of danger and violence.

I am a single parent. I have two granddaughters, two grandsons, and
six boys, 26 on down. My oldest is 26, and Fred was the youngest. My
son was only 16 years. Just a month ago he would have celebrated his
seventeenth birthday. He could have had a lot of good years ahead of
him. I have been sick for nearly a year from the loss of my son. I
have missed a lot of work to go down to the hospital in Shiprock over
and over again. Sometimes I can tell people haven't wanted to hire
me because they know who I am and about Fred.

I love my son so much and I miss him very, very much. He was an
outspoken boy, laughing and joking all the time. It is so quiet in my
house now. F.C. was always ready to bring a laugh or smile to my
heart when I needed it the most. He never saw another person as a
stranger but as a fellow human being and was always ready to give a
hug or compliment to anyone whom he believed to be hurting. F.C.
loved life and to make others happy. He was my "tail" as I would call
him. He was always ready to go with me on any errands or trips I had
to make. He cherished his friends and he had many. He would love to
do make-up with his girlfriends, to share ideas. He was a free
spirit and I loved him for his spirit and all of who he was. Fred was
a happy kid.

Almost four years ago, when he was 13 and in Middle School he started
changing, wearing make-up. First eyebrow pencil. Later on curling
his hair, putting more make-up on, and putting on nail polish. And
Fred always carried a purse. Other than that, he dressed as a typical
junior high school kid-like most of the kids he was friends with,
like Marlene and Robin, dressed. He liked it. He was out with
mostly girls. And he loved to fiddle around with his girlfriends'
hair. Some of what the newspapers said about F.C. was not true,
saying that he was wearing dresses, using girl's room--which he never
did. One day we sat down in the front room, and he said, "This is
the way I want to be." His brothers didn't say anything to him. We
really didn't say nothing to him. F.C. was beautiful and liked to
make himself more beautiful. We treated him like he is precious to
us. The youngest. If that is how you want to be, if you are happy
with it, okay. F.C. had many difficult times in his short life.
Much of this was related to the fact that he was Navajo living in a
world that does not honor and respect different ways, and also that
he was Nadleeh--Two-Spirit-and he could comfortably walk the path of
both male and female, that he would love differently from most. F.C.
also felt the pain of what comes when your family is poor, but very
proud. It is not easy to grow up as Navajo, Nadleeh and poor. But
these are facts of life. He was not ashamed of who he was and neither
was I. I now tell you that I dearly loved my precious son and was
proud of all that he was.

F.C. was picked on at school because of the way he dressed. I
understood kids picked on him. But he never told me, his girlfriends
told me. F.C. worked hard to overcome these hardships and he was
beginning to find the path he would walk down for what should have
been a long and fulfilling life, and to do so proudly. He was
interested in art and design. He liked to do hair and make up. He
had ambitions. There were many things he wanted to do, and many
places he wanted to go. Los Angeles, San Francisco, and
Washington, D. C. were the three cities Fred had always wanted to
visit. I've gone to each of them this past year for the first time,
but Fred could only go with me in spirit. Why can't others allow our
loved ones to live their lives and to express themselves freely?

The last time I saw F.C. alive was the night of the Ute Mountain
Rodeo in Cortez. He was going with some friends to the carnival just
a mile from my house. The next time I saw him was to identify his
body, at the funeral home. He'd been chased, beaten with a rock. He
had been left to bleed, with a fractured skull, alone in the dark in
a little canyon only a quarter mile from our home. He wasn't found
until a week later. I was worried sick when he never returned, but I
never thought it could be this bad. I don't know how long he lay
there suffering. I don't know what his last thoughts were. I don't
know all of the people who were involved. I know they chased him and
beat him. And I know they left him lying there and tried to hide it.
And that later Shawn Murphy bragged about it. He wasn't found until
a week later, unrecognizable as the beautiful boy I'd last seen a
week before. I had to identify that body by the hair band F.C.'d
been wearing. This happened to my son and no way am I going to let
that go. Some of my questions may never be answered. I just want to
know the truth about what happened to my son. And I want justice to
be done to all of the people responsible for his murder.

Mr. Murphy, you took my son away from me in the most vicious way I
can imagine. You smashed his head with a rock. You were covered
with his blood. When you left him that night a year ago in the Pits,
not even a mile away from here, you knew you beat him with a rock and
you felt it break his skull. You knew how much he was bleeding
because you were covered with his blood. You deliberately left him
there to die- - or already dead. And my son lay there for a week and
all you said about it was that you had "bug-smashed a fag."

I think you should be put to death for that. But I know that will
not happen. It doesn't even seem to me like you care about what
you've done. It looks like you have only cared about yourself since
you were arrested. You say you want to be a father to your child,
but what kind of father can take a mother's youngest child away from
her with no apology whatsoever? It looks to me like you are a
dangerous, violent person. The idea that I might see you on the
street before too long, free to live your life, is an insult to me
and to the memory of my son, Fred. I believe that you should be in
jail for as much of your life as the law will allow. Because of you
Fred can never become the person he might have been and the world is
less for that. Whatever life is left to you, in jail or not, and
whatever freedom you might have after is more than you deserve. You
stole my son's life. You broke my family. And you broke my heart.

Thank you, Your Honor.

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Subject: A WOODSTOCK STORY


Author:
Jerry
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Date Posted: 18:35:52 06/03/02 Mon


Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998
Subject: RE: THE KEEPER OF THE FLAME DIES
From: Marcia Lubinsky


Bill Lubinsky, the keeper of the flame of the Woodstock Festival died this past September. Bill, my late husband and I have been going to Yasgur's farm every year since 1971. I would like people to know of the awesome responsibility Bill took on over the years of keeping the spirit of Woodstock live on forever.

Over the years Bill would play host to the hundreds of reporters and T.V. crews who wanted to go and see where this great event took place. He did so with love and out of the cheer joy of sharing his incredible experiences at the actual concert. He never asked for anything in return. He loved retelling his stories to kids who weren't even born at the time of the festival in 1969. He would point out where different things were located on the field, and his intimate stories were always a joy to hear.

Each year the people who we met at the festival reunions (unplanned) came back again with friends and family. It just snowballed. And those friends and family brought more people and so on. The crowds swelled to incredible proportions each year and our Woodstock family also grew greatly. The year of the 20th anniversary just blew us away. We never would have thought that our family would grow so much.

As the anniversary rolled around each year we were always wondering what type of obstacle would be thrown in the way of our celebration. One year it was roadblocks of snowplows. Another year a heavy dosing of chicken manure. They tried every trick in the book to keep us all from coming back each year. I really can't figure that one out. It was always an adventure and always fun.

Over the years we've lost some of our friends who we would look forward to seeing each August. Some will remain on the field forever in their ashes which were thrown upon the field which they loved so much.

All of you who enjoy Woodstock and the reunions should always remember that if it hadn't been for Bill Lubinsky the celebrations would never have grown to such epic proportions.

Bill's company Woodstock Festival still lives on sharing information, stories and festival memorabilia through myself and Bill's son, Alexander.

This last anniversary was difficult for Bill to attend. His body wasn't cooperating and he had trouble walking but he managed to get there and was saddened at how things were handled there. He knew that that would be his last physical visit to the site. He died about a month later but his spirit will live on with his stories and through the hearts of all those he met over the many years.


Peace, Marcia
(e-mail: woodfest@aol.com)

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Subject: Now you will see how Alan Gerry is trying to steal the Woodstock Site


Author:
A local resident
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Date Posted: 05:10:39 06/02/02 Sun

***ALAN GERRY DOES NOT LEGALLY OWN THE WOODSTOCK SITE***
Widow to Woodstock site's former owner drops claim
By KRISTEN SCHWEIZER
Staff Writer
A widow to the former owner of the Woodstock site dropped her seven-yearold court battle for at least 50 percent of the land.
In an Oct. 1 state Surrogate Court decision in Brooklyn, Helen Necketopoulos dropped her claim and settled with lawyers representing Liberty millionaire Alan Gerry and the late June Gelish.
Necketopoulos agreed to a $250,000 settlement, said Abigail Storm of Woodstock Nation Foundation. Storm maintained contact with Manhattan resident during her battle for ownership of the land. After lawyers took their fees, Necketopoulos said she ended up with $185,000.
News of the settlement was important to Storm and others who have been fighting for years to gather at the site. Storm, who says she has a right to be on the site, Tuesday wondered why she and others were arrested on the property in August when its ownership was in question. A judge this week found Storm and others guilty of trespassing. She plans to appeal the decision.
Meanwhile, Necketopoulos, who is in her early 70s, was not happy about her decision to settle, but Tuesday said if she had not, she would be left with nothing.
''I can't do anything, they just gave me the money and I signed the papers,'' she said, sobbing over the telephone. ''This was not what I was supposed to get.''
Her lawyer, George Coffinas, did not return phone calls Tuesday.
Necketopoulos is the widow of Louis Nicky, who bought the Woodstock site in 1981. Even though the couple had separated long ago, they never divorced. When Nicky died in 1989, Necketopoulos said she rightfully became co-owner of the site.
Prior to his death, however, Nicky began living with June Gelish. And when he died, Gelish produced a deed - which Necketopoulos claimed was forged - that said Gelish was co-owner of the Woodstock site.
In 1990, Necketopoulos filed her claim for ownership of the site.
In June, Necketopoulos filed another set of court papers saying Gelish broke the law when she sold the Woodstock site to Gerry for $1 million.
A court order dating back to 1991 barred Gelish from selling the site until rightful ownership could be determined.
''Alan Gerry has always had the rights to (Woodstock site),'' his lawyer, Martin J. Schwarz, said Tuesday. ''We never believed differently.''
Necketopoulos said she had never met Gerry, but others told her ''that if I continue these court proceedings with him involved I would have to pay lots of money and not get even half of what I'd get now,'' she said.
Necketopoulos, who lives on social security, said she had hoped to get at least $300,000.
''Now I'm not going to live comfortably, what I got is not a lot of money,'' she said.

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Subject: WPA for the PAC


Author:
A local resident
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Date Posted: 13:13:15 05/31/02 Fri

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

WOODSTOCK PRESERVATION ALLIANCE FAVORS 634-ACRE BETHEL PERFORMING ARTS DISTRICT, OPPOSES GERRY FOUNDATION PLAN FOR 38-ACRE WOODSTOCK SITE

Announces National Media Awareness Effort

[BETHEL, NY] The Woodstock Preservation Alliance (WPA) has announced that it will take its effort to preserve the original Woodstock concert site to the national arena.

In June 2001, The Gerry Foundation (GF) unveiled plans for a $40-million Performing Arts Center (PAC). It was presented as the centerpiece of a 634-acre Performing Arts District, adjacent to the site of the 1969 Woodstock Festival in Bethel, New York. At that time, they also announced that the 38-acre original festival site would be left untouched.

In a press release, the WPA announced that it was "thrilled." Billionaire Alan Gerry, the driving force behind the PAC, seemed to share the WPA's reverence for the Woodstock site, telling The New York Times, "We think that this is special land. Would you build a shopping center where Washington crossed the Delaware?"

What a difference 9 months makes. In March 2002, GF unveiled its "new" plans for the district. GF's vision now calls for extensive construction on the original Woodstock site including a shopping center. Approximately half of the 38-acre site will be subject to development, with the remainder surrounded by a new security fence.

WPA member Peg Beischer said that the group is "...deeply disappointed with the recent announcement of planned development on the original site." Beischer stated that "We've met with them and worked with them", said Beischer. "Now we regretfully have to oppose them."

Overall, the WPA favors the PAC concept, which promises to bring visitors, culture and jobs to Sullivan County. But the WPA believes the Woodstock site is a national treasure that should be preserved in its natural state for future generations to enjoy freely. "I sincerely hope that the Town of Bethel will take into consideration the world-wide appeal of having an unspoiled historic landmark along with the proposed PAC. They don't need to choose one or the other, they can have both.", said WPA board member Carolyn Madsen.

WPA member Bob Parnicky said that "...to say that they're building on 'just some' of the field is like saying that a woman is just a 'little bit' pregnant. There's plenty of other land in GF's proposed Arts District to build upon."

Ed Watson, another WPA Board member, said, "Everyone understands what battlefields represent and why they are often left undeveloped. The Woodstock site represents a generation of young people who came together and showed the world that love is stronger than hate. During a time of war and killing abroad, they demonstrated that living together in peace is achievable and that the forces that bring us together are more powerful than the forces that tear us apart. Battlefields are preserved because they are places where people died for their beliefs. The Woodstock site should be preserved because it is a place where people lived for their beliefs."

The WPA also believes that if permanent structures are built on the Woodstock site, they will drive away more visitors than they attract. "A few weeks ago I visited the site," said Madsen. " I met three men from Peru who had come because they wanted to see where Woodstock took place. They were amazed to learn GF was planning to develop the top of the field. They said they would not want to come back if the land was buried under these buildings."

Adds Board member Marcy Hill, "The truly sad part is that the buildings planned for the Woodstock site can be built elsewhere. The proposed Performing Arts District is over 600 acres, and GF owns over 1300 acres in the immediate vicinity. The Woodstock site cannot be moved, but the buildings can."

Peter Brosnan, the WPA's California-based Board member, agrees. "GF has the opportunity to create two performing arts spaces in Bethel," he said. "Throughout history, wealthy patrons of music have provided for the classical composers and performers, who in turn were often inspired by the music of the common people, the 'folk music.' GF can do something new and unique in history: a PAC for the New York Philharmonic and the classics, and another place -- the original Woodstock site -- just down the road for the 'folk music' of today."

The grass roots WPA was formed in September 2000 in the wake of the Gerry Foundations' initial announcement of the PAC. With an elected board of five directors, the WPA represents the interests of thousands of visitors who return to the Woodstock site annually.

The WPA has also been active in local community projects like the Bethel First beautification project and a food drive for Monticello's Tom's Kitchen. In recent months, The WPA has sponsored public service announcements in local print media offering its critique of GF's plans. Currently, the group is actively spreading word of their position through an email and letter-writing campaign directed at national media outlets.

WPA website: www.thewoodstockspirit.org

For more information, contact:
Ed Watson, WPA Board of Directors, (610) 458-XXXX during business hours, ed@thewoodstockspirit.org

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Subject: WASHINGTON TIMES ARTICLE


Author:
anonymous
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Date Posted: 06:08:53 05/31/02 Fri

The mandate to promote the issue of taking the development of the Woodstock site out of the " loca " realm is being achieved. Please read this article at the Washington Times web site entitled " Woodstock Loses it's Rebel Edge ". Please keep in mind, that a foundation of information on the matter is being laid. It is not a matter of who faired best in the article. It is more important that the information is now national and printed in the " most quoted newspaper in the U.S. ". Bethel needs to make their decision based upon informed public opinion. This opinion will most likely be forthcoming from this point on.

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Subject: decisions to be made


Author:
sadie
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Date Posted: 21:22:23 05/30/02 Thu

Even if many people believe that Alan Gerry and the PAC are the "second coming" and feel that whatever he wants to do to the site is OK, as it will revive the area, and all will be well, think again. Future casino site, local businesses will close, as everything will be available at the PAC complex. Many people will be earning no more than minimum wage. If the site is built on, the one thing that has brought money and people to Bethel will fade. As Mr Gerry has his new "toy" and if it fails, hey, he is rich already, and has nothing to lose. If there was never Woodstock, or the site, would you be better off? I think not. The resentment and fear from 1969 still show to this day. The Corporate Machine is to be feared, not the hippies. Peace. Sadie

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[> Subject: "SECOND COMING" ARE YOU NUTS? YOU HAVE HAD TOO MANY PIPES


Author:
Local Resident
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Date Posted: 03:18:54 05/31/02 Fri

*ALAN GERRY WILL BE THE ANTICHRIST TO BETHEL*
Etymology: Middle English anticrist, from Old English & Late Latin; Old English antecrist, from Late Latin Antichristus, from Greek Antichristos, from anti- + Christos Christ
Date: before 12th century
1 : one who denies or opposes Christ(BETHEL); specifically : a great antagonist expected to fill the world(BETHEL-THIS RELATES TO THE CASINO) with wickedness but to be conquered forever by Christ at his second coming(THIS RELATES TO WHEN THE TRIBES RETURN AS IN 1969)
2 : a false Christ *JUST REMEMBER THE TRIBES WILL RETURN*
*(BETHEL, GERRY WILL DENY YOU BEFORE THE ROOSTER CROWS)*

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Subject: Run the Hippies out of Bethel WoW I'm Jewish are the Jews next?


Author:
Spirit of Woodstock
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Date Posted: 18:59:03 05/30/02 Thu

Are we next Bethel? Maybe when JESUS comes back you will run him out too. Or maybe you can have Alan try to buy him off too.

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Subject: GF bought a landmark


Author:
Len
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Date Posted: 05:48:03 05/30/02 Thu

From what I've been reading, the Gerry Foundation bought a landmark. Landmarks are part of a nation's history and identity. The interpretation of how a Nation views that landmark is not the property of a few. It won't be tolerated. If he had accidently bought the Gettysburg battlefield, and built a " Starbucks " on it, the Nation would have something to say. I'm certain that the Nation will have something to say about this as well.

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[> Subject: What will they do next? Maybe a Casino & Brothel on the WTC site?


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 07:43:31 05/30/02 Thu

What would be said about that?
The Battle Field at Gettysburg and the WTC are a site of WAR.
The 38 acre Field at Bethel is a site of PEACE.
SELL US THE SITE ALAN! DON'T DESTROY IT!

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Subject: Question...


Author:
TinaN
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Date Posted: 07:38:02 05/29/02 Wed

What have the people who want to "Save the Woodstock site" done to keep it up? Why don't you all get together and purchase it? It's easy when you don't have to pay the taxes and keep it up to say "Don't build". I say Put your money where your mouth is.

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[> Subject: Re: Question...


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anonymous
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Date Posted: 09:07:50 05/29/02 Wed

The PAC is being built through a foundation with PUBLIC funds and taxes will be paid with PUBLIC funds. Those who want to help Bethel not make itself the ridicule of the nation are part of that PUBLIC. Those who may come to the PAC won't care pays the taxes when they see 1/3 of the site built on. They will show their dismay by never coming again. So....o, don't worry so much about the preservationists. Worry about the tourists.

>What have the people who want to "Save the Woodstock
>site" done to keep it up? Why don't you all get
>together and purchase it? It's easy when you don't
>have to pay the taxes and keep it up to say "Don't
>build". I say Put your money where your mouth is.

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[> Subject: SITE "NOT FOR SALE"


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 10:20:59 05/29/02 Wed

FYI A group from Ohio has tried to Purchase the site since June Gellish owned it. We were told it WAS NOT FOR SALE then all at once Alan Gerry owns it. You tell me what is going on. I first attempted to purchase the site in the 70s when it was supposedly for sale for $55,000.00. We have offered Alan(by mail) well over his $1,000,000.00+ investment with no reply. Hope this answers your question. BY THE WAY, WHO IS THE (LEGAL) OWNER OF THE SITE? If you think Alan Gerry is I suggest you take a close look at the deed. Feel free to e-mail me.

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Subject: Vietnam


Author:
KEVINP
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Date Posted: 07:00:05 05/26/02 Sun

This Memorial Day, please remember that in some ways Woodstock helped stop the war. Please don't build on the site

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Subject: What is right.


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anonymous
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Date Posted: 11:26:48 05/25/02 Sat

What is right for the world, will be waht is right for Bethel. Please make the the right decision.

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Subject: BETHEL TO GET NEW TOWN LOGO


Author:
A RESIDENT
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Date Posted: 04:57:44 05/25/02 Sat

(THE OLD) BETHEL NY SITE OF THE 1969 WOODSTOCK MUSIC AND ARTS FAIR
(THE NEW) BETHEL NY THE TOWN THAT DESTROYED A NATIONAL MONUMENT TO PEACE

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Subject: Please take into consideration


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 11:10:43 05/23/02 Thu

Dear Bethel,

You are under consideration strain to do " the right thing ". Please take into consideration the following. This may feel like a " local " matter. However, this is a business venture that depends on the repeat patronage of visitors who will not care if your decisions are made on " local terms ". Once the PAC goes on that land and the advertising blitz begins to draw in tourists, Woodstock will come back to public consciousness. When features on " Woodstock 1969 " appear in newspapers across the counrty and beyond, and the documentary is shown on television, partons will be looking for " that field " and will want to see " that field ". The difficult decision that lies ahead will determine if patrons who come looking for " that field " will return again. I know that this has been considered, however I appeal to your sense of what is best to make this business venture a success. Brad

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Subject: Ashamed to be a resident of a Town that would Destroy an American Historical Landmark


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A local resident
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Date Posted: 15:45:28 05/22/02 Wed

I am ashamed of my town and its residents. I do not know if I will ever be able to show my face at a yearly gathering again. I am deeply sorry for the actions of my town.
God bless you all who have tried so hard to save one of the only Landmarks in the United States that represents "PEACE."

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[> Subject: Don't be Ashamed - talk with your neighbors and Town Board


Author:
Wyldflower
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Date Posted: 07:19:45 05/23/02 Thu

You elected the Town Board to represent YOUR interests.

Talk with your neighbors... enlighten them to the value of keeping the Site unspoiled.

Talk with your elected representatives. Make sure they understand YOUR views.

The Town's decision on the project is not final at this time, by any means. YOU - as a voter in the Town - can tell the Town Board that if they wish to be reelected, they MUST do what is BEST for the Town... and explain to them what YOU feel is BEST!

~Peace (and hope)

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Subject: A difficult decision


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 12:55:37 05/21/02 Tue

To the Town of Bethel and the Joint Lead Agency for the PAC. Over the past week, alot of "passion" and some things that crossed the line have played out on this message board. That sloping 38 acres of land that means so much to many has been the cross for the good people of Bethel to bear for some 30 years. The thought of a venue ( PAC ) that can give aid to a deserving community is hard to pass up. No wants it to be passed up. Mud-slinging aside, the people of Bethel and the members of the Joint Lead Agency have the arduious task of deciding the fate of a landmark that lives in the hearts of many, within Bethel and around the world. Mr. Scott and the agency deserve as much "objective" input as they can get to make a decision that will forever change the face of that historic icon as well as the good name of Bethel. My apologoes for any offense I may have caused through my past words and I wish you all the best.

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Subject: my "Woodstock" letter to theTown of Bethel


Author:
TOMMYpurplehaze(a 69er)
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Date Posted: 20:42:19 05/20/02 Mon

To the Town of Bethel May 11, 02

Today I write to you to express both joy and sorrow. I'm joyful I was able to attend the original Woodstock Music and Arts Fair and Aquarian Exposition. In 1969 I was a 16 year old growing up in a time of war and a time of change. I came of age and understanding during the summer of 69. My generation was going through a difficult time. After years of anti-war demonstrations and racial riots we all needed something positive to set us free. In the small town of Bethel,N.Y. a musical event was about to take place that would all by itself bring a feeling of togetherness and brotherhood to a young society who yearned for peace. Attending Woodstock on August 15,16,17,& 18,1969 changed my life forever. The experience of people caring and sharing was wonderful. The music truly opened my mind. The "Woodstock Spirit" entered my soul that weekend in 1969.
Five years later I returned to Max Yasgurs farm. This beautiful hillside was relatively unchanged, so peaceful, nature at it's best. Ten years later I returned again to celebrate the anniversary.The "Woodstock Spirit" had become my lifestyle.It burned inside my soul. On the fifteenth anniversary,I again went back to the garden. By now hundreds of people were hanging out throughout the day reminising about the special feeling of Woodstock. By 1989,
going back for the twentieth anniversary, seeing ten to twenty thousand people camped out all over the farm, I felt a feeling of ecstacy. Seeing the "Woodstock Spirit" alive and well was just magical. Peace,Love and music were in the air. Since 1989 it has become a ritual for me to return to
"the site" every August to experience the "Garden of Peace"
I am greatful a monument was erected to mark the spot of this historic landmark. This shows me the people who live in this little country town cared enough to show the world they must have some pride that history was made in their back yard.
I've witnessed some changes in the landscape that have brought tears to my eyes. The fencing,huge circus tents and concrete slabs have diminished the natural beauty of this hillside. The real people who know what the meaning of Woodstock represents do not approve of these changes. I wish to let you know that I "STRONGLY DISAPPROVE" of any building of a performing arts center ON ANY PART OF THE ORIGINAL WOODSTOCK FESTIVAL. This site should be preserved for historical,enviornmental,and sentimental value. I am worried if the Town of Bethel allows The Gerry Foundation to build on top of this land, it will destroy the authenticity of the way this land should be remembered.
Woodstock's land preservation would insure the memory would not be lost of the 500,000 people who gatherd together peacefully for what became the largest "free" concert ever held in the entire world.
Please, please, please find another location to build your performing arts center. Do not let this become a 21st century nightmare. If your looking for the "Woodstock site"
to draw you the crowds you will need to make the P.A.C. a success, that is all the more reason to leave it untouched and preserved. Please allow the "Woodstock site" to remain free, peaceful, and historical. I appeal also to the Gerry Foundation to use another trac of land nearby. Please do not
let the land become just a memory. This land is our land,
this land is your land, this land was made for you and me.
Please keep our "Woodstock site" free and peacefull.
Hey,hey,my,my, the "Woodstock Spirit" must never die....
From a member of The Woodstock Nation,
Peace, Love, & Music, TOMMYpurplehaze

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Subject: PAC must follow Chapter 92 and I will see that they do!


Author:
Resident of Bethel
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Date Posted: 19:42:01 05/20/02 Mon

Chapter 92, ASSEMBLIES, MASS PUBLIC
[HISTORY: Adopted by the County Legislature of the County of Sullivan 6-21-2001 by L.L. No. 2-2001. EN Amendments noted where applicable.]
§ 92-1. Findings; purpose.

A.Outdoor public entertainments, amusements and assemblies have occurred in Sullivan County and elsewhere on previously undeveloped sites, attended by assemblies exceeding 100,000 persons who camp on the site during the event in tents, trailers and other similar facilities usually furnished by the individual. The mass assembly of persons in Sullivan County for such events in number of 20,000 or more has and would temporarily substantially increase the number of persons residing within the County of Sullivan beyond its normal population, thereby causing problems and demands considerably beyond the capability of existing municipal services and facilities now available in Sullivan County.

B.In order to prepare for such an event, it would be necessary to provide a temporary community with all the services required for the health, welfare and safety of the persons in attendance. Adequate provision must be assured for sanitation and sanitary facilities and services; water supply; food service; garbage and refuse collection and disposal; hospital, medical, nursing and ambulance service; policing and traffic control; parking facilities and control; and communications and power systems, all of which are normally subject to governmental regulation and licensing. The temporary furnishing of such services and facilities for outdoor public musical entertainment, amusement or assembly intended to be attended by 20,000 or more persons similarly requires municipal approval and regulation.

C.Also, the conduct of such events would create a mass movement of people through the County of Sullivan, principally upon its public streets and highways, of a magnitude not usually experienced by the County of Sullivan with the likelihood of damage and injury to persons and property within the County of Sullivan. It is believed necessary that persons, corporations, organizations, landowners and lessees conducting such events must provide adequate financial assurance to protect persons and public and private property within the county.

D.The Sullivan County Legislature, therefore, finds and declares that it is necessary for the government, protection, order, conduct, safety, health and well being of persons and property within the County of Sullivan, in regard to outdoor public entertainments, amusements and assemblies catering to the general public, that certain rules and regulations be established, and, further, that there is danger to the people attending or taking part in such events if proper sanitary, police and other health and safety measures are not adequately provided for, and, further, that it is necessary to adopt under the police power of the county a local law to regulate and license the holding of such outdoor public musical entertainments, amusements and assemblies.

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Subject: The PAC


Author:
Larry Feola
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Date Posted: 18:38:03 05/16/02 Thu




Town of Bethel Joint Lead Agency for the PAC
Bethel, NY


Dear Bethel Joint Lead Agency I attended the Public Hearing on the 14th concerning the proposal to erect the PAC on the 37 acre parcel known as the original Woodstock site. I had a little speech prepared, but chose to sit and LISTEN instead. I then took the 4 hour ride home and thought about what I had heard. I wish to convey the following, and if you please, submit this into any information you have that will assist you in making the RIGHT decision.

First I wish to submit the following. I am the out of towner you wish to attract and attend the concerts and shows at the PAC in Bethel. I heard at one point during the meeting that this proposed venue is only 90 miles from NYC. Understand this. I grew up in NYC. There are at the very least more then two dozen concert halls, arenas, outdoor amphitheatres and the like within 25 miles of NYC. I've been to most of those places in the 25 mile radius, having attended over 150 concerts in my lifetime and I'm still going strong. When you live in a place like that, and enjoy many types of music and entertainment, it's too easy not to take advantage. Now, as a Dad of a teenaged girl, I still attend concerts with her. With all the shows I've been to, all the acts I chose to see, most of them Rock and Roll shows, I have NEVER chosen to travel more then 45 minutes to see these shows. Why should I. I lived in a place where if you waited a while, the act you wanted to see would come closer. If you are hoping to attract people from NYC to see Pavorati, Brittney Spears, The Three Tenors, the Philharmonic, the Who, or anyone else, I highly doubt any of these acts would choose to play Bethel over playing in NYC, Long Island, or one of the many venues in New Jersey. Believe it or not, these acts do consider the travel time their fans are faced with. They also are more apt to play in a highly populated area as opposed to a rural setting. That's not snubbing the country, as it were, but just good business. These acts ARE a BUSINESS. They want to make money, just as you do. They want to attract fans, and burdening fans with a lengthy trip, especially after the show is over, is not the way to do that.

Did you see the yellow flyer that was passed around at the hearing? This flyer mentioned the automobile ad that depicted the man who purchased the $40,000 car and drove up to the Woodstock site for the peace and serenity it seemed to give him. At one point during the meeting, a gentleman stepped up to the mike so to speak, and announced that unlike the executive in the car ad, he purchased his car right there in Sullivan county. That's nice. I ask you this. How many people from NYC came up to Sullivan county to pruchase their cars? I venture to say none. Why would they? They can have their choice of car dealers right in the city, just as they have their choice of concert halls in the same place. I'm sorry to be so blunt, as I now live in a small town also. There are not many people coming 'upstate' to do any business. That includes seeing a concert.

About two years ago, my lady friend purchased four seats to the Pepsi Arena in Albany NY. She wanted to take another couple we know to see Pavorati. The concert was cancelled due to low ticket sales. You can contact the Pepsi Arena in Albany to check this out if you wish, in fact I'd hope you do. If Pavorati were playing in the Madison Square Garden, or the Paladium, or the Berne Arena in New Jersey, I can assure you any of these venues would be sold out in two days tops. I know this. I've seen it happen. I spent every year of my young adulthood not only attending concerts, but working at a few, and even buying and selling tickets. Yes, I confess, I was a teenage ticket scalper. For years I made a nice buck doing so. It was nice during my college years not having to go to a job to make nice money. Illiegal as it was, it taught me ALOT about the business. As a scalper in the metropolitan area, I would not even bother with tickets to even a big event in Buffalo, Saratoga NY or Pennsylvania. Not many would want to travel from NYC or Long Isalnd to see a show when they could wait a month and see it in their backyard. You wish to approve a plan to build such a place that is just too far away to attract the clientelle you hope to woo into Bethel. I just don't see it happening. These are the facts.

Monticello racetrack is not far away. When the track is running, I could see all kinds of business at such a place. SEASONAL. That is a word that plagues businesses all over the world. Especially when that season depends on the weather. I'm sure that some people come out in the rain to watch the races but let's face it, not as many as when it's nice and dry under blue skies. I live near the Saratoga race track and go every summer. It's only 45 minutes from my home. When it's raining, I choose to stay at home. Why should I go out in the rain to see the race, when I could wait for a nice day. Let's take the Bethel situation. If an act were to coincide with the racetrack season, you could hope that the rain would not damper, no pun intended, your hopes that the PAC would still see business as expected. I recall alot of the hotel industry was represented at the hearing. If two people were to plan a trip to Bethel, spend the day at the track in Monticello, the evening at the PAC, and spend the night in a local hotel or B&B, I would almost bet they'd be the minority. I don't think you'll see alot of that happening and even if you did, I highly doubt you'd see repeat customers. Bethel, as beautiful as it is just will not attract the business for such a place you'd hope it will. Hope is a nice word, but it is a gamble. A gamble at best. To gamble the appeal of that parcel of land as it is now, which is world wide appeal, against travel time, the weather, the competition in NYC and the metro area is a high stakes gamble with little chance for success, and too much chance for disappointment.

One of the many, many concerts I've attended was the Day in the Garden 30 year Anniversary of Woodstock show in the summer of '99. I've got the ticket stub to prove it. Why the town of Bethel chooses not to allow more of these shows is beyond me. I'd go. Rain or not. Because RAIN is a part of Woodstock. Quirky as it sounds, it's true. You are probably the only township fortunate enough to not have to worry about rain putting the so called damper, again no pun intended, on an outdoor show in your town. Also I wish to mention we stayed over night and spent quite a few dollars enjoying the area's appeal. I want to tell you, the ONLY reason I traveled the distance was because of the pristene condition of that parcel, it's history, it's beauty, and the fact that I wanted to see the 7 acts that were at the original show on the original site, as it was way back when. And I may add, I would DEFINATELY go again. But I must add also, not if you wish to tear up the property to build a structure that is destined to fail to rise to your expectations. If you look at this another way, allowing more summer shows on the 37 acres of historic unspoiled beauty, the local merchants would see a yearly boon. Hotels, B&B's, markets, campgrounds, gasoline stations, souveneir shops, etc., would all benefit. Tearing up that property would surely be the death of it all. Any chance Bethel has to reap the benefits this property has to offer would be gone.

I'm sure you may look at this as a letter from one of those out of town people who don't pay local taxes and don't have anything to lose by asking to leave the site as it is. I say in contrary, leave the site as it is and allow it to be USED more often. I can see that property bringing in seasonal profits for all the local businesses the way it is now. But to dig in and tear up to build a structure which will look nice in the beginning, will only become an unused eyesore and a bad memory built out of concrete, forever reminding you of the time you made the decision to destroy history, in hopes of creating a future. You can have a future. You can start by allowing the beauty of that land to be used as Max let it be used. Don't ruin the good thing you already have, by building something you don't need or won't be able to use the way you think you will now. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for, 'cause you may just get it.

Sincerely,

Lawrence Feola, Granville NY
also known as 'Fuzzman'
Repeat visitor to the Town of Bethel
Tourist, music lover, concert goer
Woodstock fan.

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[> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
In agreement
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Date Posted: 19:06:21 05/16/02 Thu

> Anyone with any business savvy knows that what you say is true. Why venture in from NYC, Montreal, or anywhere else that has first class theatre and attracts the best acts. The only thing that brings people to Bethel is Woodstock and the site. All the pipe dreams from the PAC will just be blowing smoke up the butts of Sullivan County. Once the novelty of the PAC has worn off and people see what was done to the woodstock site, they won't return a second time. Don't you people know anything about tourism? You are caught up in the hype and promises of a false saviour ( Gerry ). Build the PAC. It may do well. Touch the Woodstock site, and you are done...for good.
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[> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
morph
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Date Posted: 20:30:39 05/16/02 Thu

May I suggest that you send this letter to the Gerry Foundation, who OWNS the site... They are the folks who are going to build a LEGAL venue on THEIR site..

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[> [> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 06:38:30 05/17/02 Fri

You seem to have a strong pro-Gerry stand. Let's see what you think 4 years from now when you are pumping gas at the " Gerry Gas Bar " for minimum wage.


> May I suggest that you send this letter to the Gerry
>Foundation, who OWNS the site... They are the folks
>who are going to build a LEGAL venue on THEIR site..

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
morph
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Date Posted: 11:36:52 05/17/02 Fri

I sent in an application for a job at the "Rainbow Family Gas Bar" 20 years ago. I have not heard back yet.Perhaps I am on their hiring list............

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 15:43:01 05/17/02 Fri

Good one. Let me ask you, " what do you, I mean you, think is going to be the overall impact of the PAC on Bethel. What do you think tourists will think when they see what has become of the site? Will you get repeat visitors and will they spend money outside of the arts district. Should woodstock purists just let it go? I'm serious here.


> I sent in an application for a job at the "Rainbow
>Family Gas Bar" 20 years ago. I have not heard back
>yet.Perhaps I am on their hiring list............

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
morph
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Date Posted: 20:33:30 05/17/02 Fri

For nigh on 30 years now, the Woodstock site has produced nothing for Bethel except controversey and a divided community. Friend against friend
, neighbor against neighbor. Many thousands of dollars of tax money have been spent by the Town in litigation and clean ups from all the "non-Events" year after miserable year. We all remember the stories of chicken guano and plow trucks being burned after they were used as road blocks to prevent the promised "mass invasions" by the Rainbow family and their cronies that never ever happened.The history of the site , post event" is a sad story of schemers and dreamers who never produced a successful event.Bob Gersh, Simeon Mitrany, Sid Bernstien, Seven Ventures, Bethel Festivals Inc. and a host of others came here to try to do something and all have left empty handed. We are all respectful of the Meaning of Woodstock and wish for it to always remain a symbol for our children and grandchildren ad infinitum.However, for the first time. a man with the "wherewithall" to create something has ,and here is the operative word, PURCHASED the site and decided to build on it. He is asking for a Performing Arts District to be formed from agricultural land.The issue that is faced by the Town, is not "Where" the buildings will be located, as much as it is ,Does the Town "WANT" a PAC district at all. I have no answer for that nor do you. It seems that they do want it though. As long as the NYS building codes are met by his plans, He really has the full right under the law to build ANYWHERE on the site he wishes to. Once again we return to the question he is asking the Town. Does Bethel want me to build at all? If so, Approve the PAC District and I will build in the manor I wish to.Someone has posted about Vassmer and Woodstock Campground being on the market because they are "Smart" and want to get away before the PAC fails.. I submit that they have reached a point where they have struggled too long to make a living here and have finally given up. It seems that the general feeling here is that Mr. Gerry should break ground as soon as possible and all wish him great success. I am sorry if this is disheartening to you, but I have answered your question in the best way I know how. Peace unto you and Yours. Morph

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you for your candor


Author:
Does it matter
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Date Posted: 21:06:15 05/17/02 Fri

Passion, regardless for whatever position is held is tiresome. With all previous passionate communications aside, I thank you for your candor and informative view. I cannot say that I find that those facts still warrant what may become of that site, however I respect your opinion. I wish the town of Bethel well. Mr Gerry does indeed own the land, and yes under the law do as he pleases with it. For myself it isone of those up-hill fights, much like those encountered by environmentalists. Is there a greater good that transends the desire of a few and state law. On a greater level, does the fate of this land belong to a few alone, without the opinion of an INFORMED public. From my experiences with the media across North America, generally, those who should be in the know, have had no press-releases from the Gerry Foundation. If that had been done and it was met with little interest from the public at large, then I would say all the best to you. The public has spoken. From my experience thus far, the public ( meaning north america and abroad ) have not been informed and have not had a chance to speak their minds. If this is considered a local matter I just hope that no one feels duped once the word is spread to come to the new PAC. I am so sorry for the problems caused post-festival. Being the guardians of an important neo-religous landmark has its burdens to bear. I guess we are both passionate about this matter and passion is a good thing. I respect your opinions and wish you and Sullivan County well.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
HDT
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Date Posted: 11:52:47 05/19/02 Sun

Morph:

You are missing a key point here. Adhering to building codes DOES NOT give Mr. Gerry the "right" to do what he wants with his land. He must also adhere to zoning laws.

Mr. Gerry is asking the Town Board to CHANGE the zoning laws to allow him to do the project as he sees fit. The Town Board has the right (and the responsibility) to say yes or no to ANY part of the project, as well as saying yes or no to the whole thing. They can simply say that yes, they want the PAC, but they would like Mr. Gerry to come back with a proposal that spares the 38 acres.

The practical considerations are this: Does the Town Board want to accept the short sighted "quick fix" and accept Gerry's proposal as-is, thereby enabling him to break ground this summer? The benefit of this is that it will make their constituents happy, as that is apparently what the rather small, rural population wants. They want their PAC, and they want it NOW! It will also save the Gerry Foundation a bunch of money.

Or is it better to take the locally unpopular course, which would save the Woodstock site at the expense of forcing the whole project to be moved back another year? The benefit is that they will be doing the thing that would make the visitors they want to attract happier, at the expense of enduring the wrath of the local voters as well as likely threats from Gerry that he'll just pull out of the whole thing.

So, to the Town Board: Will you take the easy, morally stagnant and short-sighted road, or will you choose the harder road that will truly have the best chance of success?

It's your town, it's your call.

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[> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
I agree
[Edit]

Date Posted: 13:58:05 05/19/02 Sun


Can't you see the headlines: Bethel voted most unpopular town in the U.S.. Tell your politicians that you will still vote for them next time if they vote against building on the woodstock site.



>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Town of Bethel Joint Lead Agency for the PAC
>Bethel, NY
>
>
> Dear Bethel Joint Lead Agency I attended the
>Public Hearing on the 14th concerning the proposal to
>erect the PAC on the 37 acre parcel known as the
>original Woodstock site. I had a little speech
>prepared, but chose to sit and LISTEN instead. I then
>took the 4 hour ride home and thought about what I had
>heard. I wish to convey the following, and if you
>please, submit this into any information you have that
>will assist you in making the RIGHT decision.
>
> First I wish to submit the following. I am the out
>of towner you wish to attract and attend the concerts
>and shows at the PAC in Bethel. I heard at one point
>during the meeting that this proposed venue is only 90
>miles from NYC. Understand this. I grew up in NYC.
>There are at the very least more then two dozen
>concert halls, arenas, outdoor amphitheatres and the
>like within 25 miles of NYC. I've been to most of
>those places in the 25 mile radius, having attended
>over 150 concerts in my lifetime and I'm still going
>strong. When you live in a place like that, and enjoy
>many types of music and entertainment, it's too easy
>not to take advantage. Now, as a Dad of a teenaged
>girl, I still attend concerts with her. With all the
>shows I've been to, all the acts I chose to see, most
>of them Rock and Roll shows, I have NEVER chosen to
>travel more then 45 minutes to see these shows. Why
>should I. I lived in a place where if you waited a
>while, the act you wanted to see would come closer.
>If you are hoping to attract people from NYC to see
>Pavorati, Brittney Spears, The Three Tenors, the
>Philharmonic, the Who, or anyone else, I highly doubt
>any of these acts would choose to play Bethel over
>playing in NYC, Long Island, or one of the many venues
>in New Jersey. Believe it or not, these acts do
>consider the travel time their fans are faced with.
>They also are more apt to play in a highly populated
>area as opposed to a rural setting. That's not
>snubbing the country, as it were, but just good
>business. These acts ARE a BUSINESS. They want to
>make money, just as you do. They want to attract
>fans, and burdening fans with a lengthy trip,
>especially after the show is over, is not the way to
>do that.
>
> Did you see the yellow flyer that was passed around
>at the hearing? This flyer mentioned the automobile
>ad that depicted the man who purchased the $40,000 car
>and drove up to the Woodstock site for the peace and
>serenity it seemed to give him. At one point during
>the meeting, a gentleman stepped up to the mike so to
>speak, and announced that unlike the executive in the
>car ad, he purchased his car right there in Sullivan
>county. That's nice. I ask you this. How many
>people from NYC came up to Sullivan county to pruchase
>their cars? I venture to say none. Why would they?
>They can have their choice of car dealers right in the
>city, just as they have their choice of concert halls
>in the same place. I'm sorry to be so blunt, as I now
>live in a small town also. There are not many people
>coming 'upstate' to do any business. That includes
>seeing a concert.
>
> About two years ago, my lady friend purchased four
>seats to the Pepsi Arena in Albany NY. She wanted to
>take another couple we know to see Pavorati. The
>concert was cancelled due to low ticket sales. You
>can contact the Pepsi Arena in Albany to check this
>out if you wish, in fact I'd hope you do. If Pavorati
>were playing in the Madison Square Garden, or the
>Paladium, or the Berne Arena in New Jersey, I can
>assure you any of these venues would be sold out in
>two days tops. I know this. I've seen it happen. I
>spent every year of my young adulthood not only
>attending concerts, but working at a few, and even
>buying and selling tickets. Yes, I confess, I was a
>teenage ticket scalper. For years I made a nice buck
>doing so. It was nice during my college years not
>having to go to a job to make nice money. Illiegal as
>it was, it taught me ALOT about the business. As a
>scalper in the metropolitan area, I would not even
>bother with tickets to even a big event in Buffalo,
>Saratoga NY or Pennsylvania. Not many would want to
>travel from NYC or Long Isalnd to see a show when they
>could wait a month and see it in their backyard. You
>wish to approve a plan to build such a place that is
>just too far away to attract the clientelle you hope
>to woo into Bethel. I just don't see it happening.
>These are the facts.
>
> Monticello racetrack is not far away. When the
>track is running, I could see all kinds of business at
>such a place. SEASONAL. That is a word that plagues
>businesses all over the world. Especially when that
>season depends on the weather. I'm sure that some
>people come out in the rain to watch the races but
>let's face it, not as many as when it's nice and dry
>under blue skies. I live near the Saratoga race track
>and go every summer. It's only 45 minutes from my
>home. When it's raining, I choose to stay at home.
>Why should I go out in the rain to see the race, when
>I could wait for a nice day. Let's take the Bethel
>situation. If an act were to coincide with the
>racetrack season, you could hope that the rain would
>not damper, no pun intended, your hopes that the PAC
>would still see business as expected. I recall alot
>of the hotel industry was represented at the hearing.
>If two people were to plan a trip to Bethel, spend the
>day at the track in Monticello, the evening at the
>PAC, and spend the night in a local hotel or B&B, I
>would almost bet they'd be the minority. I don't
>think you'll see alot of that happening and even if
>you did, I highly doubt you'd see repeat customers.
>Bethel, as beautiful as it is just will not attract
>the business for such a place you'd hope it will.
>Hope is a nice word, but it is a gamble. A gamble at
>best. To gamble the appeal of that parcel of land as
>it is now, which is world wide appeal, against travel
>time, the weather, the competition in NYC and the
>metro area is a high stakes gamble with little chance
>for success, and too much chance for disappointment.
>
> One of the many, many concerts I've attended was the
>Day in the Garden 30 year Anniversary of Woodstock
>show in the summer of '99. I've got the ticket stub
>to prove it. Why the town of Bethel chooses not to
>allow more of these shows is beyond me. I'd go. Rain
>or not. Because RAIN is a part of Woodstock. Quirky
>as it sounds, it's true. You are probably the only
>township fortunate enough to not have to worry about
>rain putting the so called damper, again no pun
>intended, on an outdoor show in your town. Also I
>wish to mention we stayed over night and spent quite a
>few dollars enjoying the area's appeal. I want to
>tell you, the ONLY reason I traveled the distance was
>because of the pristene condition of that parcel, it's
>history, it's beauty, and the fact that I wanted to
>see the 7 acts that were at the original show on the
>original site, as it was way back when. And I may
>add, I would DEFINATELY go again. But I must add
>also, not if you wish to tear up the property to build
>a structure that is destined to fail to rise to your
>expectations. If you look at this another way,
>allowing more summer shows on the 37 acres of
>historic unspoiled beauty, the local merchants would
>see a yearly boon. Hotels, B&B's, markets,
>campgrounds, gasoline stations, souveneir shops, etc.,
>would all benefit. Tearing up that property would
>surely be the death of it all. Any chance Bethel has
>to reap the benefits this property has to offer would
>be gone.
>
> I'm sure you may look at this as a letter from one
>of those out of town people who don't pay local taxes
>and don't have anything to lose by asking to leave the
>site as it is. I say in contrary, leave the site as
>it is and allow it to be USED more often. I can see
>that property bringing in seasonal profits for all the
>local businesses the way it is now. But to dig in and
>tear up to build a structure which will look nice in
>the beginning, will only become an unused eyesore and
>a bad memory built out of concrete, forever reminding
>you of the time you made the decision to destroy
>history, in hopes of creating a future. You can have
>a future. You can start by allowing the beauty of
>that land to be used as Max let it be used. Don't
>ruin the good thing you already have, by building
>something you don't need or won't be able to use the
>way you think you will now. As the saying goes, be
>careful what you wish for, 'cause you may just get it.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lawrence Feola, Granville NY
> also known as 'Fuzzman'
> Repeat visitor to the Town of Bethel
> Tourist, music lover, concert goer
> Woodstock fan.

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[> Subject: Re: The PAC


Author:
TOMMYpurplehaze
[Edit]

Date Posted: 19:07:02 05/20/02 Mon

>
> Fuzzman, That is a very accurate scenario. Does anyone expect to go to see shows outside between the 6 months between mid october thru mid april ....I don't think so! Bethel "IF YOU BUILD IT------THEY WILL NOT COME!
> Tph
>
>
>
>
>Town of Bethel Joint Lead Agency for the PAC
>Bethel, NY
>
>
> Dear Bethel Joint Lead Agency I attended the
>Public Hearing on the 14th concerning the proposal to
>erect the PAC on the 37 acre parcel known as the
>original Woodstock site. I had a little speech
>prepared, but chose to sit and LISTEN instead. I then
>took the 4 hour ride home and thought about what I had
>heard. I wish to convey the following, and if you
>please, submit this into any information you have that
>will assist you in making the RIGHT decision.
>
> First I wish to submit the following. I am the out
>of towner you wish to attract and attend the concerts
>and shows at the PAC in Bethel. I heard at one point
>during the meeting that this proposed venue is only 90
>miles from NYC. Understand this. I grew up in NYC.
>There are at the very least more then two dozen
>concert halls, arenas, outdoor amphitheatres and the
>like within 25 miles of NYC. I've been to most of
>those places in the 25 mile radius, having attended
>over 150 concerts in my lifetime and I'm still going
>strong. When you live in a place like that, and enjoy
>many types of music and entertainment, it's too easy
>not to take advantage. Now, as a Dad of a teenaged
>girl, I still attend concerts with her. With all the
>shows I've been to, all the acts I chose to see, most
>of them Rock and Roll shows, I have NEVER chosen to
>travel more then 45 minutes to see these shows. Why
>should I. I lived in a place where if you waited a
>while, the act you wanted to see would come closer.
>If you are hoping to attract people from NYC to see
>Pavorati, Brittney Spears, The Three Tenors, the
>Philharmonic, the Who, or anyone else, I highly doubt
>any of these acts would choose to play Bethel over
>playing in NYC, Long Island, or one of the many venues
>in New Jersey. Believe it or not, these acts do
>consider the travel time their fans are faced with.
>They also are more apt to play in a highly populated
>area as opposed to a rural setting. That's not
>snubbing the country, as it were, but just good
>business. These acts ARE a BUSINESS. They want to
>make money, just as you do. They want to attract
>fans, and burdening fans with a lengthy trip,
>especially after the show is over, is not the way to
>do that.
>
> Did you see the yellow flyer that was passed around
>at the hearing? This flyer mentioned the automobile
>ad that depicted the man who purchased the $40,000 car
>and drove up to the Woodstock site for the peace and
>serenity it seemed to give him. At one point during
>the meeting, a gentleman stepped up to the mike so to
>speak, and announced that unlike the executive in the
>car ad, he purchased his car right there in Sullivan
>county. That's nice. I ask you this. How many
>people from NYC came up to Sullivan county to pruchase
>their cars? I venture to say none. Why would they?
>They can have their choice of car dealers right in the
>city, just as they have their choice of concert halls
>in the same place. I'm sorry to be so blunt, as I now
>live in a small town also. There are not many people
>coming 'upstate' to do any business. That includes
>seeing a concert.
>
> About two years ago, my lady friend purchased four
>seats to the Pepsi Arena in Albany NY. She wanted to
>take another couple we know to see Pavorati. The
>concert was cancelled due to low ticket sales. You
>can contact the Pepsi Arena in Albany to check this
>out if you wish, in fact I'd hope you do. If Pavorati
>were playing in the Madison Square Garden, or the
>Paladium, or the Berne Arena in New Jersey, I can
>assure you any of these venues would be sold out in
>two days tops. I know this. I've seen it happen. I
>spent every year of my young adulthood not only
>attending concerts, but working at a few, and even
>buying and selling tickets. Yes, I confess, I was a
>teenage ticket scalper. For years I made a nice buck
>doing so. It was nice during my college years not
>having to go to a job to make nice money. Illiegal as
>it was, it taught me ALOT about the business. As a
>scalper in the metropolitan area, I would not even
>bother with tickets to even a big event in Buffalo,
>Saratoga NY or Pennsylvania. Not many would want to
>travel from NYC or Long Isalnd to see a show when they
>could wait a month and see it in their backyard. You
>wish to approve a plan to build such a place that is
>just too far away to attract the clientelle you hope
>to woo into Bethel. I just don't see it happening.
>These are the facts.
>
> Monticello racetrack is not far away. When the
>track is running, I could see all kinds of business at
>such a place. SEASONAL. That is a word that plagues
>businesses all over the world. Especially when that
>season depends on the weather. I'm sure that some
>people come out in the rain to watch the races but
>let's face it, not as many as when it's nice and dry
>under blue skies. I live near the Saratoga race track
>and go every summer. It's only 45 minutes from my
>home. When it's raining, I choose to stay at home.
>Why should I go out in the rain to see the race, when
>I could wait for a nice day. Let's take the Bethel
>situation. If an act were to coincide with the
>racetrack season, you could hope that the rain would
>not damper, no pun intended, your hopes that the PAC
>would still see business as expected. I recall alot
>of the hotel industry was represented at the hearing.
>If two people were to plan a trip to Bethel, spend the
>day at the track in Monticello, the evening at the
>PAC, and spend the night in a local hotel or B&B, I
>would almost bet they'd be the minority. I don't
>think you'll see alot of that happening and even if
>you did, I highly doubt you'd see repeat customers.
>Bethel, as beautiful as it is just will not attract
>the business for such a place you'd hope it will.
>Hope is a nice word, but it is a gamble. A gamble at
>best. To gamble the appeal of that parcel of land as
>it is now, which is world wide appeal, against travel
>time, the weather, the competition in NYC and the
>metro area is a high stakes gamble with little chance
>for success, and too much chance for disappointment.
>
> One of the many, many concerts I've attended was the
>Day in the Garden 30 year Anniversary of Woodstock
>show in the summer of '99. I've got the ticket stub
>to prove it. Why the town of Bethel chooses not to
>allow more of these shows is beyond me. I'd go. Rain
>or not. Because RAIN is a part of Woodstock. Quirky
>as it sounds, it's true. You are probably the only
>township fortunate enough to not have to worry about
>rain putting the so called damper, again no pun
>intended, on an outdoor show in your town. Also I
>wish to mention we stayed over night and spent quite a
>few dollars enjoying the area's appeal. I want to
>tell you, the ONLY reason I traveled the distance was
>because of the pristene condition of that parcel, it's
>history, it's beauty, and the fact that I wanted to
>see the 7 acts that were at the original show on the
>original site, as it was way back when. And I may
>add, I would DEFINATELY go again. But I must add
>also, not if you wish to tear up the property to build
>a structure that is destined to fail to rise to your
>expectations. If you look at this another way,
>allowing more summer shows on the 37 acres of
>historic unspoiled beauty, the local merchants would
>see a yearly boon. Hotels, B&B's, markets,
>campgrounds, gasoline stations, souveneir shops, etc.,
>would all benefit. Tearing up that property would
>surely be the death of it all. Any chance Bethel has
>to reap the benefits this property has to offer would
>be gone.
>
> I'm sure you may look at this as a letter from one
>of those out of town people who don't pay local taxes
>and don't have anything to lose by asking to leave the
>site as it is. I say in contrary, leave the site as
>it is and allow it to be USED more often. I can see
>that property bringing in seasonal profits for all the
>local businesses the way it is now. But to dig in and
>tear up to build a structure which will look nice in
>the beginning, will only become an unused eyesore and
>a bad memory built out of concrete, forever reminding
>you of the time you made the decision to destroy
>history, in hopes of creating a future. You can have
>a future. You can start by allowing the beauty of
>that land to be used as Max let it be used. Don't
>ruin the good thing you already have, by building
>something you don't need or won't be able to use the
>way you think you will now. As the saying goes, be
>careful what you wish for, 'cause you may just get it.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lawrence Feola, Granville NY
> also known as 'Fuzzman'
> Repeat visitor to the Town of Bethel
> Tourist, music lover, concert goer
> Woodstock fan.

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Subject: Something to Consider


Author:
Lori ( out of state )
[Edit]

Date Posted: 19:06:16 05/20/02 Mon

If Bethel is anything like NE Ohio, it's saturated with retail stores. I don't know exactly what your situation is, but I know that when a 55-acre sprawl-mall was proposed for Kent, Ohio right next to a
sensitive bog, we realized that not everyone in the community were that concerned about the bog - and
at had to be respected. But there were many reasons to oppose the project - 1) Economic
sustainability: retail stores create little tax revenue for the city compared to other types of development.
They also provide low-wage jobs that perpetuate poverty (along racial lines), and when low wage
workers have no health benefits, taxpayers pay for emergency medical services, etc. As well, the hidden
costs of roads, road repair, extra fire, and police services are often not part of the points that developers
mention when selling the project to the city. The lowering of property values next to big developments is
common. Many retail stores are built to last 10 years. They don't neccessarily plan to stay, anyway!
Ohio is littered with empty boxes. 2) Other ecological reasons: The costs of development in terms of
how it affects the watershed and water run off must be addressed, because diminishing wetlands and
permeable land contributes to flooding. The air pollution from extra traffic is often an issue, and there are
studies which suggest that asthma in children is worsening due to overdevelopment. And many local
residents oppose big box or even small strip-malls because of roadside trash and noise -- quality of life
issues are important to local residents. These are just some of the problems relating to corporate
development. The hijacking (commodification) of "public space" is something some city planners are
alarmed by. It's a question of who has control; the citizens or a big business interest and their puppets in
government? I have discovered that during our efforts in Kent (we won!!) that it is very much a struggle
for economic justice, local democracy, and that the issues will attract more than "hippies" or
"treehuggers," no matter how much the opposition tries to stereotype or demean your concerns. I wish
you luck and encourage you all to address the issue from as many angles as possible.

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Subject: Town of Bethel: Joint Lead Agency For The PAC


Author:
Jerry
[Edit]

Date Posted: 11:11:58 05/20/02 Mon

Town of Bethel, I’m sure you all know that the Woodstock site in Bethel means alot to many people, but I’m not sure you know how much it means or how far it reaches. The “WOODSTOCK” site is remembered worldwide as a place where something amazing happened that will never happen again. If you allow the field to be developed, Bethel, will be rembembered for destroying the only monument to peace and love in the world. Please look past the almighty dollar and look at the real spirit of that land. People from all over the world come to this sacred site for one reason,to feel peace and love that will NOT be there if buildings and fences are put up. It will be just another PAC which there are plenty of already, and we all know could be built elsewhere. Now is your chance Bethel to do the right thing, in a world filled with corporate greed, violence and hate. Don’t destroy a monument to peace and love, Please don’t allow Alan Gerry to bury your legacy. The world is watching. sincerely, Jerry Seymour Little Falls NY

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[> Subject: Re: Town of Bethel: Joint Lead Agency For The PAC


Author:
does it matter
[Edit]

Date Posted: 11:27:01 05/20/02 Mon

I really don't know if the Town understands how far reaching this is. I know that the word is spreading throughout North America and abroad quickly as there is a conscious campaign at this time to do so. Whether or not the council is flooded with mail to ask that the PAC be built away from the Woodstock site is irrelevant. Whether the council says that people had their chance to have a say ( locally yes...worldwide..no )is also irrelevant. Most causes that represent mass opinion are usually represented by a handful of delegates. What Bethel does not know is how many silent supporters those delegates represent. When it comes time to open for business...and over time, disappointed patrons who see what has happened to their legacy, do not return again and tell their friends not to come, the reality of the decision will come to lite. Bethel, if you really think that this issue is " local ", you are sadly mistaken. Thre are 1400 acres to build on. Don't throw it all away for a mere 38 of them. Tell Gerry and Scott, Yes to the PAC but leave the Woodstock site alone. That's the real win - win.

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Subject: Excellent


Author:
Comic relief
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10:58:54 05/20/02 Mon

Gerry and Alan Scott are a bit like the Simpsons' Mr. Burns and Smithers. " Soon Smithers, we will own the WHOLE town...Ex..cellent. "

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Subject: It is time to speak up fellow residents of Bethel


Author:
A local resident
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06:15:19 05/20/02 Mon

I guess we are going to have to get rid of the "Old Goat" ideas that Alan Gerry has, grow some Gonads and stop him from the destruction of OUR Historical Landmark.
How about it Bethel, are we going to stop him or let him run our town? I believe he is already running out the owner of one of nearby local landmarks like Vassmers store. Now, Woodstock on the Lake is for sale. Next is the destruction of OUR only Landmark. Who is going to come to see a PAC? Maybe once a month there will be a function, and if it draws crowds like his last FIASCOS we are still poor Bethel, NY. Do we really think large crowds are going to come from the City and jobs will be plentiful? I think we had better think this one out. PAC on the Woodstock site is like an outhouse on the WTC site. (Just a special note from a resident of Bethel to the High School students from Monticello, If you are going to come to our town and read your prepared speeches full of lies STAY HOME we have done without you for 33 years and don't need you now.) LETS TAKE OUR LANDMARK BACK AND EXPOSE GERRY & SCOTT WITH THEIR PHONY DEED TO THE SITE.

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Subject: Lets face it!


Author:
Local resident of Bethel
[Edit]

Date Posted: 15:53:15 05/19/02 Sun

Lets face it we are suckers. After 1969 we think we can make a come back without trashing the town. Let me say this the WOODSTOCK MUSIC AND ARTS FAIR is the best thing that ever happened to us. I guess we should be sorry for letting Alan Gerry take over our city. I hope Jeryl is elected to a position that can stop the Gerry & Scott Bethel take over. I do not agree with everything Roy and Jeryl do but it is a lot better than destroying the old site. GOD BLESS THE SITE AND THE FAME THAT IT HAS BROUGHT TO BETHEL. A resident!

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[> Subject: Re: Lets face it!


Author:
Fuzzman
[Edit]

Date Posted: 19:01:39 05/19/02 Sun

GOD BLESS YOU!!! I was at the meeting on the 14th. I felt like I was punched in the stomach when I left. I was sick to death. My heart is breaking at the very thought of seeing that land bastardized. I visit your wonderful town often. A couple times a year anyway, and I visit because of that 37 plus acreage. I hope God whispers in someone's ear out there and helps them make the right decision, not the greedy one. Should the wrong decision be made, they'll find out too too late the only one who'll benefit from that PAC will be Gerry, 'specially when he writes off the huge loss when the PAC does not lure the out of town biz that everyone thinks it will. Peace, Fuzzman







>Lets face it we are suckers. After 1969 we think we
>can make a come back without trashing the town. Let me
>say this the WOODSTOCK MUSIC AND ARTS FAIR is the best
>thing that ever happened to us. I guess we should be
>sorry for letting Alan Gerry take over our city. I
>hope Jeryl is elected to a position that can stop the
>Gerry & Scott Bethel take over. I do not agree with
>everything Roy and Jeryl do but it is a lot better
>than destroying the old site. GOD BLESS THE SITE AND
>THE FAME THAT IT HAS BROUGHT TO BETHEL. A resident!

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[> Subject: Re: Lets face it!


Author:
Local Resident of Bethel
[Edit]

Date Posted: 05:37:21 05/20/02 Mon


I guess we are going to have to get rid of the "Old Goat" ideas that Alan Gerry has, grow some Gonads and stop him from the destruction of OUR Historical Landmark.
How about it Bethel, are we going to stop him or let him run our town? I believe he is already running out the owner of one of nearby local landmarks like Vassmers store. Now, Woodstock on the Lake is for sale. Next is the destruction of OUR only Landmark. Who is going to come to see a PAC? Maybe once a month there will be a function, and if it draws crowds like his last FIASCOS we are still poor Bethel, NY. Do we really think large crowds are going to come from the City and jobs will be plentiful? I think we had better think this one out. PAC on the Woodstock site is like an outhouse on the WTC site. (Just a special note from a resident of Bethel to the High School students from Monticello, If you are going to come to our town and read your prepared speeches full of lies STAY HOME we have done without you for 33 years and don't need you now.) LETS TAKE OUR LANDMARK BACK AND EXPOSE GERRY & SCOTT WITH THEIR PHONY DEED TO THE SITE.


>Lets face it we are suckers. After 1969 we think we
>can make a come back without trashing the town. Let me
>say this the WOODSTOCK MUSIC AND ARTS FAIR is the best
>thing that ever happened to us. I guess we should be
>sorry for letting Alan Gerry take over our city. I
>hope Jeryl is elected to a position that can stop the
>Gerry & Scott Bethel take over. I do not agree with
>everything Roy and Jeryl do but it is a lot better
>than destroying the old site. GOD BLESS THE SITE AND
>THE FAME THAT IT HAS BROUGHT TO BETHEL. A resident!

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Subject: What will the new town sign say?


Author:
jeff
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Date Posted: 10:58:17 05/19/02 Sun

I've seen a photo of your town sign that now says, " Home of the 1969 Woodstock Festival" on a few websites. If your town allows this to happen, will it say, " Bethel, The Town that Buried the Woodstock Site ?" Catchy and truthful. There are probably enough people who will chip in a few bucks to put up the new sign for you. Shame on you.

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Subject: "A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can let alone."


Author:
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
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Date Posted: 10:57:33 05/19/02 Sun

The message is even truer now than it was then.

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Subject: WE BE GOOD TOWN PEOPLE FO YOU MASSER GERRY


Author:
SPIRIT OF WOODSTOCK
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Date Posted: 22:56:31 05/18/02 Sat

YES SIR MR. GERRY WE DA TOWN PEOPLE OF BETHEL DO ANNYTHIN YOU WANT.

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[> Subject: Re: WE BE GOOD TOWN PEOPLE FO YOU MASSER GERRY


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morph
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Date Posted: 23:25:49 05/18/02 Sat

I wonder if this will help the Town come to a decision about Woodstock site........

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[> [> Subject: Re: WE BE GOOD TOWN PEOPLE FO YOU MASSER GERRY


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Local Resident of Bethel
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Date Posted: 07:32:58 05/19/02 Sun

Probably not, We are pretty stupid here in Bethel for not accepting the site when Max wanted to sell it to us for $1.00. Now Alan is going to make his fortune larger at our expense. I have checked the deed to this property many times. It is an illegal document that shows Alan Gerry does not own this property. Our town meetings are a joke. We are just puppets and do anything Gerry & Scott want. What about it Morph, don't you think it is about time we stand up for our rights or should we continue to let the likes of Gerry run over us? I hate to say it buy whoever the Spirit of Woodstock is, hit the nail on the head about us.

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Subject: Bethel's Public Relations considerations


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does it matter
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Date Posted: 06:46:21 05/19/02 Sun

Just a thought for the PAC council. They may want to get an agreement from GF that the public relations firm hired to handle the media regarding the decision to develope the site, also handles the criticism to the the Town of Bethel once it is revealed that the Town had the final decision. Outsiders won't care if the matter was considered a " local or state " issue. Critics of the Town and its decision may be as influential as GF himself. I just hope that Bethel is not made the scapegoat if it hits the fan. Just a thought. P.S. Although I have also made "passionate" comments, let's try to be nice and provide reasonable input to guide the council to make the right decision...whatever that might be.

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Subject: Tombstone in Bethel, not Historic Landmark


Author:
Woostock 1969 Original
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Date Posted: 04:41:41 05/18/02 Sat

If the town of Bethel is so ashamed of the old farm & Site of the Woodstock Music & Arts Fair & as one post stated "Trying to get rid of the image." Why do your advertisements read HOME OF THE WOODSTOCK MUSIC & ARTS FAIR? When the PAC fails you will be left with a large tombstone to a Desecrated Historic Landmark, and the memory of a town that had to stoop so low to entice High School Students to read False prepared statements in front of a camera that was broadcasting to the World.
Shame, shame Bethel.

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[> Subject: Re: Tombstone in Bethel, not Historic Landmark


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morph
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Date Posted: 06:21:47 05/18/02 Sat


I guess that this is some of the Passion that "Does It Matter" spoke about. I am not aware of the town trying to shed the image of Woodstock ,and furthemore, the charge that the school Kids were reading false statements is very strange to hear falling for the lips of a supposed proponent of the Woodstock Generation ideals. The first one of which is "Question Authority".. The charge that Mr Gerry paid off a school district and had these kids come to speak for him only weakens the arguement of, and brings shame to the accuser.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Tombstone in Bethel, not Historic Landmark


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 07:47:29 05/18/02 Sat

I think at this time, emotion is getting in the way of making clear points. Removing the strong emotional context, I don't think anyone is saying that there has been a direct conscious pay-off on the part of Mr. Gerry. I'm sure that i his way, his philanthropic endevours are genuine, which in turn create a genuine reciprocal admiration. We are merely concerned that that admiration may have clouded the ability of the recipients of his generosity to see what the potential negative consequnces may be of supporting and development on the woodstock site itself. Passion can make 2 sides of an argument speak in absolute terms which can weaken the argument. It appears that this will go through. I guess the true test will be as the opponents to this development pressure the media to cover the story, collect data from across North America and beyond around popular opinion on Bethel's decision, how will this small town be viewed by the masses. In all seriousness, what the oponents or pro- woodstock-site development camps think will mean little one the campaign to gain wider popular opinion on this matter begins. Again, I respect your opinion. The small number who have had access to this debate have their say. Let's see what kind of reaction this gets when everyone else gets a chance to hear about it. If anything, this matter is still a " sleeping giant " preparing to wake up. One last thing. Would anyone know if anyone from the PAC council monitors this message board. It is an incredible source of information and part of the process of making an " informed choice. " How would one send a message to them to ensure that this resource is being utilized.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Tombstone in Bethel, monitoring


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morph
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Date Posted: 12:59:15 05/18/02 Sat

I guess one would have to send a letter to the Town Board regarding this monitoring. Inform them that they should do so, and ask that letter be read into the minutes. The address is in the government section in this site think.. it is Town of Bethel PO box something , White Lake NY 12786

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Tombstone in Bethel, monitoring


Author:
morph
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Date Posted: 13:01:34 05/18/02 Sat

PO Box 300 White Lake NY 12786

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Tombstone in Bethel, monitoring


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 13:36:20 05/18/02 Sat

Thanks morph. This kind of dialogue is much easier on the blood pressure.


> PO Box 300 White Lake NY 12786

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Subject: PAC COUNCIL SHOULD MONITOR THIS BOARD


Author:
does it matter
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Date Posted: 11:41:08 05/18/02 Sat

INFORMED decisions are made using all available information sources. Please inform PAC council members to monitor the opinions expressed on this board as it is the world's easiest accessible forum to discuss matters pertaining to Bethel and the PAC issue. Thanks

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Subject: PAC IT UP AG


Author:
SPIRIT OF WOODSTOCK
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Date Posted: 17:53:03 05/17/02 Fri

Here's an article from The Daily Star in Oneonta, New York. If all goes well, maybe...just maybe our PAC will bury AG's plans and he will re-consider building on the site. We've waited a long time for our PAC to materialize!

Arts center plan gets big boost

Plans for a performing arts center in downtown Oneonta got a big boost Wednesday when the state came through with $600,000 to pay for razing the old feed mill on the proposed site.

And because the awarding of that grant was tied to economic development, for the first time we've heard talk about all the jobs to be created when the project is complete.


The city of Oneonta acquired the West Nesbitt feed mill on Market Street in November and plans to sell the property to Orpheus Theatre as the site for the planned construction of a $37 million performing arts center.


The 75-year-old feed mill closed for business in 1996, and owed the city more than $160,000 in taxes and penalties dating to 1997 before the city took possession. Oneonta teamed with Otsego County in applying for the $600,000 grant to cover demolition costs.


Announcing the grant on Wednesday, Gov. George Pataki said the project "will bring new tourists, more jobs and exciting cultural events to Oneonta. This performing arts center will help generate more economic activity in the downtown area, while also enhancing the region's growing reputation as a major destination point for tourism, recreation and the arts."


Of course, clearing the property is only a small step on the way to raising the money needed to build the arts center. But it is a necessary step and lends the project added credibility that it, indeed, is on the way to fruition.


Orpheus officials, led by founder and co-executive director Peter Macris, announced plans for the project in September 2000. Since then, Macris has been dedicated to clearing hurdles and finding the money for the center.


On Wednesday, a gleeful Macris said that five years ago "a number of community leaders wanted to create a major performing arts and conference center in a run-down section of downtown Oneonta. We have had a positive community reaction and have assembled a professional planning team."


He has said a formal fund-raising campaign would be launched this year. The state grant announced Wednesday also will lend credibility to that effort.


Now billed as The Orpheus Arts and Conference Center, it will be devoted to the performing arts, including three state-of-the art theaters and multipurpose rooms to be used for rehearsals, recitals, workshops and conferences.


According to Pataki, who was represented in Oneonta on Wednesday by Lt. Gov. Mary Donohue, the center will generate more than $5 million in expenditures in the first year of operation and more than $7 million within 5 years. It is anticipated that the center would create 52 full-time jobs.


With a new hotel and the downtown revitalization project already funded for building facade improvements, business loans, streetscape, parking and security improvements in the area, Oneonta's downtown could be well on the way to qualitative change — one not seen since the Urban Renewal projects of the 1970s.

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Subject: Tears for Yasgur's Farm


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out of state
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Date Posted: 14:38:16 05/17/02 Fri

Like a hungry dog. Give him a crust of bread and he'll be your friend for life. Unfortunately, for the businesses anticipating econmonic growth, you'll be more like hungry dogs looking through the butcher shop window...salivating...waiting for a hand-out. I pity you Bethel. A PAC...boarded up businesses...and a raped landmark.

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Subject: woodstock site


Author:
david biren
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Date Posted: 11:32:41 05/17/02 Fri

mr gerry,
I hope you read these e-mails, as I have. They bring great tears to my eyes, I truly hope what you are building will be within the feeling of "WOODSTOCK" and what it stood for. I grew up during Vietnam, we should never forget, what happened to our soldiers there. I look forward to seeing a concert arena go up, but please remember our past.
all the luck,
a resident of bethel,
david biren

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Subject: BETHEL SELL-OUT


Author:
Does it matter
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Date Posted: 18:36:48 05/16/02 Thu

I guess it's payback time for Bethel. When Gerry builds his own hotel, restaurants, museum, gas station for a " one-stop shopping " trip to Gerryville, guess how much the town businesses will get....SQUAT. Come on Bethel, venture 25 miles outside your own town and see what happens in the real world under the same circumstances. Hell, when the woodstock site is ruined, you won't even have that any more. SMARTEN UP!!!

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Subject: Kissing sound in Bethel


Author:
Spirit of Woodstock
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Date Posted: 17:45:03 05/16/02 Thu

During a recent drive thru Bethel I heard a Kissing sound.
Now I know what it was. The people of Bethel Kissing AGs back side.

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Subject: How many high school students


Author:
Enquiring mind
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Date Posted: 16:33:11 05/15/02 Wed

Q: How many high school students does it take to sway the opinion of a town council?

A: Depends on the size of the promise that the Gerry Foundation makes to the school.

Hey kids. Can you say, " loyalty for cash?" I thought so.

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[> Subject: Re: How many high school students


Author:
Morph
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Date Posted: 19:11:58 05/15/02 Wed

In Liberty school district ,when the voters turned down the budget, Mr Gerry funded the sports program out of his own pocket and there were NO issues involved in that. It was done for the kids ,period.....

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[> [> Subject: Re: How many high school students


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enquiring mind
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Date Posted: 20:03:44 05/15/02 Wed

Well I guess the kids better be nice to Uncle Alan from here on in if they want to keep the sports program going. " Shiney quarters all around! "



> In Liberty school district ,when the voters turned
>down the budget, Mr Gerry funded the sports program
>out of his own pocket and there were NO issues
>involved in that. It was done for the kids ,period.....

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[> Subject: Re: How many high school students


Author:
Morph
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Date Posted: 19:13:40 05/15/02 Wed

In Liberty school district ,when the voters turned down the budget, Mr Gerry funded the sports program out of his own pocket and there were NO issues involved in that. It was done for the kids ,period.....

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Subject: DON'T BURY WOODSTOCK


Author:
America
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Date Posted: 15:08:49 05/15/02 Wed

Find The Cost Of Freedom (Stephen Stills)

Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground
Mother earth will swallow you
Lay your body down

REMEMBER PEACE...REMEMBER WOODSTOCK.
THE SITE BELONGS TO THE WORLD

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Subject: Bethel, DONT BURY YOUR LEGACY!


Author:
JERRY
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Date Posted: 11:22:00 05/15/02 Wed

“Woodstock showed us that people can live together in a peaceful and sharing way. It showed that the goal many were going towards during those years was reachable. It actually happened for 500,000 people at one time for three days. The mystical teachings tell us that with the birth of each age there is a sign, a teacher, which appears, to lead the way. As Christ was the example for a world 2000 years ago, so the experience at Woodstock can be an example for our world today. Just as the birth of Jesus could find no place, so too, Woodstock was without welcome but both found their place to be: one in Bethlehem, the other in Bethel; the similarity of names whispering to us of a cosmic declaration, an intelligence beyond our own. The festival was like a conception. Now the cells are busy dividing and multiplying, separately and together, in nearby and far away places. It was a cosmic sign both symbolic and actual telling us that our ideals could be made real, that a new time was approaching telling us to keep on trying; and it is still, 33 years later, telling us that.”............Elliott Landy

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Subject: Here's What You Will Get


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 09:38:59 05/15/02 Wed

The buildings will be spectacular.
The landscaping will be superb.
The money will roll in.
The meaning will be lost.

Think about it Bethel

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Subject: Woodstock Site Must Be Preserved


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 21:16:26 05/13/02 Mon

PLEASE READ AT THE TOWN MEETING AND SUBMIT TO THE COUNCIL AS SUPPORT TO SAVE THE SITE.


May 13, 2002

Dear members of the Bethel PAC council and citizens of Bethel, NY,

I appreciate being allowed to voice my opinion from afar. Although I am a Canadian, we are neighbors and represent a large proportion of the potential tourist market that you will hope to attract. The Woodstock site is known around the world as an important symbol of peace for a generation that was caught in a time of turmoil. Although most do not know the negative impact the festival had on some residents of your community, sometimes the long-lasting negative views of a few must be put aside to preserve history for the many, that being the world. The " Woodstock generation " has grown up and has children of their own now. At this time in our history, some of those children probably perished on September 11, and others are now involved in the resulting conflict. Woodstock represented hope for a new peace and beginning for a generation of war and uncertainty. Here we are, over 30 years later, again in a time of war and uncertainty. At a time when we should be paying homage and respecting the few landmarks the world has towards peace, we find ourselves in a desperate plea to save such icons from the desecration of commercialism and poor judgement. Being a Canadian, can you please explain to me if this is what you mean by " the American way?" A beautiful field. A mere 37 of a total 1400 acres, that should be made available for reflection on peace in a time of war, may be part of the beginning of a new Branson Missouri. A monument to short-sited small town egocentrism. I wish the town of Bethel and Sullivan County well. I hope the performing arts center is a success and aids in the financial rehabilitation of your economy. I however, hope as well, that you will think about how the world at large will judge Bethel based on the decisions made. " You Can have it all " ... if you choose. A world class performing arts center, and a reputation for saving one of the few precious landmarks to peace. It is your call Bethel. The world will be watching. I wish you all clarity and reason.

Sincerely,

Brad Littleproud
1544 Amberlea Rd.
Pickering, Ontario
Canada
L1V4V3

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Subject: The Mud of Woodstock


Author:
christopher cole
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Date Posted: 13:06:17 05/12/02 Sun

Three long score have I stumbled forward in vain
Weighed down by indifference and mediocrity
Adrift in the glare of self pity and inactivity
A mechanical being devoid of sympathy
Squinting in the bright light of drudgery and gain
Pushing forward to avoid the task master’s disdain
Adjusting here some grease there no big deal
Powering the load like some cog in the system’s wheel
With rounded teeth chipped from the strain
A precision component with a heart of steel
No room for tears no room to feel
Wakened from this nightmare I put the paradigm to rest
Twisting this reality inside out I try my best
To return to the living and Love before it is too late
And smile again and try to relate
Only to realize the mud of Woodstock still squishes between my toes.

Christopher Cole


PS. has anyone ever authenticated the identity of the subjects of that famous photo of two kids embracing at Woodstock with a cover wrapped around them? Two people made the TV circuit a few years back claiming to be the kids pictured. They might very well be the two. If not, I feel I know the true identity.

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Subject: PAC...YES BUILDINGS ON THE SITE ...NO


Author:
skeet
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Date Posted: 05:20:12 05/11/02 Sat


PLEASE DO NOT BUILD ON THIS 38 ACRE HISTORIC SITE



Woodstock

Well I came across a child of God
He was walking along the road
And I asked him tell where are you going
This he told me

Well I am going down to Yasgur's farm
Going to join in a rock and roll band
Goin' to get back to the land to set my soul free

We are stardust, we are golden
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

Well then can I walk beside you
I have come to lose the smog
And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning
And maybe it's the time of year
Yes and maybe it's the time of man
And I don't know who I am
But life is for learning

We are stardust, we are golden
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was song and celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bombers jet planes
Riding shotgun in the sky
Turning into butterflies
Above our nation.

We are stardust, we are golden
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

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Subject: Hey Bethel, This could be the PAC theme song!!!


Author:
Darrell
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Date Posted: 13:53:12 05/08/02 Wed

"Big Yellow Taxi"

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
With a pink motel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot

Don’t it always seem to go
But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

They took all the trees and put ’em in a tree museum
And they charged all the people a dollar and a half just to see ’em

Don’t it always seem to go
Said you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

Hey farmer, farmer put away the D.D.T.
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees, please!

Don’t it always seem to go
But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

Late last night I heard that screen door slam again
And the big yellow taxi come and take away my old man

Don’t it always seem to go
But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

Don’t it always seem to go
But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

Paved paradise and put up a parking lot
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

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[> Subject: Re: Hey Bethel, This could be the PAC theme song!!!


Author:
James
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Date Posted: 18:56:29 05/09/02 Thu

AAAAAAA......MEN to that!



>"Big Yellow Taxi"
>
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>With a pink motel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot
>
>Don’t it always seem to go
>But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>
>They took all the trees and put ’em in a tree museum
>And they charged all the people a dollar and a half
>just to see ’em
>
>Don’t it always seem to go
>Said you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>
>Hey farmer, farmer put away the D.D.T.
>Give me spots on my apples
>But leave me the birds and the bees, please!
>
>Don’t it always seem to go
>But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>
>Late last night I heard that screen door slam again
>And the big yellow taxi come and take away my old man
>
>Don’t it always seem to go
>But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>
>Don’t it always seem to go
>But you don't know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>
>Paved paradise and put up a parking lot
>They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

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Subject: WOODSTOCK SITE


Author:
Jerry
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Date Posted: 10:57:32 05/08/02 Wed

TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR THE WOODSTOCK SITE

The Woodstock site attracts thousands to Bethel each year without a structure on the land or even a sign pointing the way. The Gerry Foundation (GF) now plans to build the Performing Arts District’s “Core Activities” on approximately half of the 38-acre field, as shown in this illustration. The plan includes a shopping center as well as a new "security" fence surrounding the remaining field.

An unspoiled Woodstock site would set the Bethel Performing Arts Center (PAC) head-and-shoulders above other competing venues, such as the PAC now being built in nearby Bushkill, PA. The site itself would be a second attraction, with no "improvement" needed. If opened to the public as a city park, visitors would have a place to enjoy the natural beauty of the land. This would encourage tourists to come and spend one or more days, not just attend an evening show. It would also give people a reason to visit even when there is no concert.

A recent TV commercial used to sell $40,000 cars features a stressed executive-type, leaving the city and driving a hundred miles just to breathe the fresh air of an unspoiled Woodstock field. The executive is representative of the many thousands of individuals who have been doing exactly that for generations. This symbolizes Madison Avenue's idea of "Woodstock", as well as the world's. Don't you think that the executive and the thousands he represents would simply turn around in disgust if they arrived to find the field paved over and fenced in with chain-link?

The decision to build or not build on the site belongs to the Bethel Town Board, not GF, and it's being decided right now. The Woodstock Preservation Alliance (WPA) believes that GF's control of over 1300 acres in the area leaves more than enough space for both the PAC and this unspoiled historic site.

There is no guarantee that the PAC will be a success. You may recall that recently, Brittney Spears performed at the site to a crowd of only a few thousand. She sells out stadiums elsewhere. If the site is paved over and the PAC does not succeed as planned, Bethel will be left with nothing but a ruined historic landmark. Once construction begins, there will be no turning back.

An important public meeting on the topic will occur at 7:30 PM Tuesday, May 14 at the White Lake Firehouse on Rt. 17B. This is the last opportunity to be heard regarding the placement of these structures. The meeting is open to everyone, Bethel residents and potential visitors alike. Please attend and make your opinion heard!
The Bethel Town Board also seeks your written opinion as they make their decision. Please, take a few moments and send your thoughts to the address below. Letters are being accepted until May 24. Bethel deserves a first-class PAC. Bethel and the nation deserve an unspoiled Woodstock site. We can have both!

"Would you build a shopping center where Washington crossed the Delaware?" - Alan Gerry, to The New York Times, regarding the historical importance of the Woodstock field and his previous decision to not build there.

Write to: Town of Bethel - Joint Lead Agency for the PAC - P.O. Box 300 - White Lake, NY 12786

For more information, please visit our website at www.thewoodstockspirit.org

A Public Service Announcement made possible by a donation from Pentacles Gift Shop, Oneonta NY

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Subject: salisbury plain


Author:
jack
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Date Posted: 19:54:35 05/04/02 Sat

please dont build on the site, next to ok , near better, in Bethel great, we wouldnt build on Stone henge would we ??

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Subject: Shame on you Bethel


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: 12:17:05 05/04/02 Sat

Contact has been made with Rolling Stone magazine in an effort to expose the proposed heartless vandalism of a historic site, and the possibility that a Bethel council may approve it. Things are heating up. If you allow building on the 38 acre site, Shame on you. It will not go unnoticed.

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Subject: Leave the field free


Author:
Stephen
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Date Posted: 12:11:59 05/04/02 Sat

Hi from Australia. Nice site. We'e hearing about this building that is going on the Woostock field. That is a historic landmark. Put your entertainment complex in another place. It makes no sense.

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Subject: THE WORLD IS WATCHING


Author:
James
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Date Posted: 18:16:14 05/03/02 Fri

Please do the right thing. The land where the 1969 Woodstock festival took place, is precious to the world. Please let it be free for everyone to enjoy for future generations. James. Pendle, U.K.

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Subject: TOURIST WON'T COME TO DESECRATED WOODSTOCK SITE


Author:
Concerned in Canada
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Date Posted: 17:50:21 05/03/02 Fri

The 38 acre Woodstock site is known world-wide for it's symbolic presence for peace. Tourists flock to this site to view part of music history. Build on this land....and they will not come. As a Canadian, and part of a significant tourist market, the word is getting out about what Bethel might allow happen to this site. A performing arts centre is a wonderful idea...built on another section of land. Build on the site, the word will spread for Canadian music lovers not to come to Bethel. It's your call. Don't be naive about the impact of northern dollars. I would think very seriously about that.

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Subject: Do Not Build On The Woodstock.


Author:
Sterling Willis
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Date Posted: 15:41:13 05/03/02 Fri

Please do not allow the Gerry Foundation to destroy the memories of a generation. Your town is a historic site due to an event that will never happen again. do not spoil a tribute to peace. Love Sterling>>>

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Subject: The Site


Author:
Tye Dry
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Date Posted: 23:21:35 04/30/02 Tue

Communication From the Woodstock Nation
To The Town of Bethel, Sullivan County N.Y.
in Care of---Allen Scott, Town Supervisor
Subject, A Proposal for the Woodstock Festival Site ~~
cc~
"Years ago a Miracle happened at iii
Bethel,N.Y. In the midst of many
2Oth century nightmares, it is the
only authentic miracle of PEACE
and LOVE in this land in our
life time. "
It is entirely fitting and appropriate that we dedicate
Yasgur's Farm as a Planetary Monument to PEACE and LOVE..
We recognize the need for tourism to be developed in
Sullivan County..We offer our vision as to how this may
be accomplished by Co-operation between Bethel,Gerry Foundation
and the Woodstock Family all over the world..
We envision Bethel {The House of God) as a pilgrimage
site with a Welcome Home Center, Museum and broadcasting
studio. A year round program of Education and Entertainment
would be broadcast through cable and satellite uplink.. The
old stage area will remain forever meadow During the month of August we would host a FREE EVENT
in the SPIRIT of Caring and Sharing.
A place to bring something to share
A place where we may express our feelings
A place where we may give Thanks
A place to go beyond our differences
A UNIFYING Field of PEACE
A registered not-for-profit organization will Safeguard
this Historic Site and it's on-going Traditions.
Give Peace a Chance, and Love will show the way.
"The Woodstock Spirit is alive and well
among the Rainbow People.

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