Re: Sun and Moon Dojo -- North Carolina Mixed Martial Arts

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Subject: Re: Sun and Moon Dojo

Author:
Neal Weaver

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Date Posted: 19:54:48 02/22/08 Fri
In reply to: Todd Warren 's message, "Sun and Moon Dojo" on 13:53:50 02/19/08 Tue

Using the MMA abbreviation lends itself towards competition. Mainly because the term is MUCH more mainstream now than it was 11 years ago (when I started training for MMA competition) and alot of instructors who care more about ways to make a buck are using the term very loosely to mean a "mixing of the different arts" knowing that is NOT what the general meaning is (meaning the general term is more competiton based).

Quite simply its geared around the training it takes to fight/compete in a MMA event. Whether people training in such an enviroment want to take it to a level where they ever compete is 100% up to them. I see alot of mma/grappling signs in places these days where I know that was not the focus of such places and styles in the past. It seems the focus changed a few years ago when MMA suddenly became a lucrative marketing term.

Part of acting professional is HAVING THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE professional in a training/teaching role for others. If I seem rude its because I am very blunt. Anyone who knows me (and several folks on this forum do) knows I say exactly what I think, all the time, for better or worse. I would like nothing better than the general public at large to be smitten with the idea of training at a legitimate gym where things that have been shown to be effective and practical in MMA are taught by people well qualified to teach them. BUT I dont want every guy who has ever seen how to lock a straight armlock or wrench a heelhook to be open for business and start teaching.

I have been around the sport for 11 years, and I have seen just about everything from superb instructors to guys who basically made up their resume's and started "teaching" folks who simply had no idea what they were learning was incomplete jargon (usually its guy who know a couple submissions are are TERRIBLE with transitions and positions and the technical details) because MMA and effective grappling were very much hard to come by. Now more people are informed, but the general public is still not going to know a proper technique from one learned the night before off a tape. Guys like that (bullshitters) will do more to kill MMA than any amount of internet talk.

I dont know if your guy is a bullshitter or not. I do know alot of the legit guys around the state. From them I can get a contact name of most anyone who has a legitimate background. I dont know your guy and have never heard of him. SO I asked direct questions about the gym/school and the donation thing.

As for me coming by and training, No point at all in that.

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[> Subject: Re: Sun and Moon Dojo

Author:
Jes
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Date Posted: 16:59:05 02/23/08 Sat

The guy merely said "If you are interested in MMA" you might want to check him out. He didn't say "If you want to train like a real UFC champ, come to our gym, we offer the best in MMA training". I understand the concern about McDojo's popping up and everyone saying they do MMA these days, but he didn't say that. I don't think it says that on the website either.

Why all the hate? Hardly anyone comes to or posts on this forum, and when someone new shows up, he gets flamed. That hardly builds community or support for MMA in NC.

I don't know anything about this guy. Maybe his school is crap. Maybe not. I could care less. Neal makes good points. But I don't think Todd's post warranted the pretentious backlash of the earlier posts.

He is correct about the webpage saying "Our focus will be on the Mixed Martial Arts as a whole to include all forms of Grappling, Striking, Vale Tudo/Free Fighting, and Self Protection/Combatives."

If that's not the case, then maybe you should change it to say "Our focus will only be on MMA that involves a bunch of dudes in TapOut shorts wrasslin' each other in a garage"

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