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Date Posted: 04:25:54 02/19/02 Tue
Author: Fm: KABRIKEN, Ralph, Dennis (forward to board by Paul)
Subject: What Mary saw....

Ralph Nielsen wrote:
>
> RALPH
> As usual, you deleted what I wrote to you, so I will copy and paste it below.
>
> RALPH (earlier)
> Let's get back to the Bible. Here is something for KABRIKEN to ponder
> and report back to us.
>
> Write four brief accounts, one for each gospel, of the activities of
> Mary Magdalene, beginning at Sunday morning, the resurrection day of
> Jesus, until the end of the gospel.
>
> I'll begin for you.
>
> Matthew 28:1-10
> Mary Magdalene (MM) and the other Mary went to the tomb.
> An angel told them to go and tell the disciples that Jesus was raised
> from the dead.
> Suddenly Jesus met them.
> He told them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee, where they would meet
him.
>
> Mark 16:1-8
> MM and two other women went to the tomb.
>
> Now would you please complete the Mark account and do the same for
> Luke 24:1-12 and John 20:1-18. Your efforts will give us some more
> information to ponder. Thank you.
>
> KABRIKEN
> >Sir,
> > I read these accounts, as I have before, and I am quite satisfied that
> >the accounts are genuine as related by each writer. I believe I can show how
> >each account ties in neatly with each other. I am not going to write any
> >brief accounts of Mary Magdalene. They have already been written! What are
> >you trying to prove? Come straight out and say it.
>
> RALPH
> Mark 16:1-8
> MM and two other women went to the tomb.
> An angel told them to go and tell the disciples that Jesus was raised
> from the dead and that he would meet them in Galilee.
> The women fled from the tomb and said nothing to anyone.
>
> Luke 14:1-12
> MM and at least four other women went to the tomb.
> Two men in dazzling clothes told them that Jesus was raised from the dead.
> The women went back and told this to the eleven and all the rest.
>
> John 20:1-18
> MM went to the tomb by herself and saw that the stone had been removed.
> She ran back to Simon Peter and another disciple.
> She told them that the body of Lord had been taken out of the tomb,
> and nobody knows where it was laid.
> Simon Peter and the other disciple then ran to the tomb and found it
> empty. Then they went back home.
> But MM stood weeping outside the tomb.
> Then she saw Jesus standing behind her but she didn't recognize him at first.
> MM then went to the disciples and announced to them, "I have seen the Lord."
>
> You said, Ken:
>
> "I believe I can show how each account ties in neatly with each other."
>
> Very good, Ken, we Bible readers would be very interested in having
> you do just that.
>
> Your move, Ken.

DENNIS: Ralph I love the way you keep hammering on KABRIKEN. You give
him no breathing room, refuse to go to another topic, and have made it
clear to him that you will ignore his drivel until he focuses on the
original queries you posed. He does not like your questions and wants
to switch to another topic, but no mercy should be shown. I don't doubt
he will try to keep weaseling out but he is in a put up or shut up mode
whether he likes it or not.

You can post this one on the site also Paul.

the best,

Dennis

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[> Re: What Mary saw.... -- Paul A,, 04:42:07 02/19/02 Tue

Always puzzled out how differing accounts of 'eyewitnesses' seems to be OK in the apologetic handbook. How on earth can the same event be seen so differently? That in itself speaks of imagination. The other accounts also missed the dramatic vision of the Angel seen by Matthew.
"And behold, there was a great earthquake; for the ANGEL of the Lord descended from heaven, and come and rolled back the stone from the door and sat upon it." -Matt. 28:2.
"And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold TWO MEN stood by them in shining garments." -Luke 24:2-4.
[Somehow Luke missed the dramatic entrance of the angel and the earthquake. All these accounts are pretty odd when you consider only the women were there and again we see the literary device of the eyewitness narrator that could simply not have known the details. Did the women tell different stories? ]

Mark 16:5 states a "YOUNG MAN", and John 20:11-12 states "TWO ANGELS".

WHERE THESE MEN OR ANGELS INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE TOMB?
Matthew 28:2 states OUTSIDE, while Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3-4, and John 20:11-12 state INSIDE.
Incidentaly Luke 24:4 has them as STANDING while Matthew 28:2, Mark 16:5, and John 20:12 say SITTING.

AFTER THE WOMEN LEFT THE TOMB WHO DID THEY TELL?
"...did run to bring his disciples word." -Matt. 28:8, "...told these things to the eleven." -Luke 24:9, ________"...neither said they any thing to any man." -Mark 16:8.

DID MARY KNOW IT WAS JESUS WHEN HE FIRST APPEARED TO HER?
Matthew 28:9 says YES she did, John 20:14 states NO she did not.


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