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Date Posted: 03:47:34 02/13/02 Wed
Author: ALAN
Subject: Re: The nature of original sin, Adam and Eve
In reply to: Joyce Amic 's message, "Re: The nature of original sin, Adam and Eve" on 02:00:03 02/12/02 Tue

RevG wrote: First of all, Sin and Eternal Life are anything but self-evident; as such, evidence is needed to prove that they have any foundation in reality.

ALAN: I too would like to see some evidence.

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[> [> [> Re: The nature of original sin....souls, ghosts, eternal life -- Paul Angle, 04:15:08 02/13/02 Wed

I strongly suspect the creation of the idea of a soul or spirit came about from the phenomonon many have seen which we call 'ghosts', or 'shades'. Likewise this phenomonon became an immortal idea because it seemed to be timeless. When we also began to see apparitions of 'ghost ships', 'ghost buildings and places' and 'ghost airplanes' being seen by hundreds we must give up the notion these things are 'disembodied spirits', they are obviously something else, what they exactly are we do not know. As with many things we can through negation surmise what something is NOT even though we may not know what it exactly IS.
The idea of souls, ghosts, and spirits, has existed within humanities cultures for as long as religions have existed. Eternal life, it would seem, defies the very nature of the universe itself, even stars die, what form of energy can sustain itself indefinitely? Even if God existed as a consciousness or energy form it must still be able to take in energy rather than only expend it, other wise the laws and function of the universe are compromised and that indicates supernatural effect, something which enters the realm of belief rather than reality. Still to this day we cannot give the slightest reality to any of it through our vast medical and scientific knowledge, not the slightest notion of a soul can be pointed to. No invisable realms of existence, no parallel realities for all these souls, gods, devils, heavens and hells to exist in. If anything, quantum physics has shown when you go small enough matter ceases to exist and there is nothing here. 'God' remains illusive, or perhaps in our preconcieved notions of 'God' we simply have not been looking for the right thing??? Western religions based in Biblical thought insist on 'God' being a deity, what if the concept is more transcendent and is not deity (all Eastern philosophies, Brahman, Atman, Tao, Buddha-nature). The non-locality proven aspect of quantum physics (1982 Alain Aspect's research solving the EPR paradox set forth by Einstein) has suggested the primal essence of the universe is consciousness (philosophy of monistic idealism), but as soon as you state the term 'consciousness', the anthropormorphic views of man start thinking consciousness is all man like and that it must be a entity or deity. And deity turns quickly into dualism and gods and devils are created.

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