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Date Posted: 06:26:09 03/02/02 Sat
Author: Paul Angle
Subject: Re: Brian Emig's challenge
In reply to: Brian Emig (posted by Paul) 's message, "Brian Emig's challenge" on 04:17:29 03/02/02 Sat

I'm wondering what makes Brian think (of course I could have stopped there), ...that God perhaps could not reveal to someone that the Bible is foolish? And perhaps it is just as it seems contradictory and ambiguous.

What is the nature of truth?
-Is the truth pretending things are real when they are not?
-Is the truth not reading words as they are written?
-Is the truth believing something merely because you wish it to be so, while denying the obvious evidence it is not?
-Is the nature of truth delusional and belief or is it factual and reality?

Does God impart to believers the 'gift' of delusion so that they may believe things do not contradict, and words can be changed or read as you wish them to be? Or would God open ones eyes to clarity and remove all delusion? Is God the author of confusion, inconsistancy, contradiction, and lies? I would think not, therefore I must assume by all relative evidence concerning the Bible that were there a 'God' of any form or consciousness to the universe he could not have anything to do with a religion. If I believed in a devil or Satan, I should marvel at his invention of 'Christianity' and the millions of lemmings he has deceived.

A short reading of the New Testament should be enough to show anyone that those who call themselves 'Christian's' in this age worship and follow a man named Paul and they take his words and those of others in the NT above the words of Jesus. "I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW", "THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THOSE THAT BELIEVE"

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[> [> Re: Brian Emig's challenge -- Fred, 18:07:48 03/04/02 Mon

"I CHALLENGE YOU TO SINCERELY ASK GOD TO REVEAL HIMSELF
TO YOU!!!!!" says Brian. If you ask me, that's a Johnny-come-lately challenge! I've been asking "god" to reveal him/her/itself to me for the past twenty years, but to no avail. In fact, I�ll sincerely ask �god� to reveal itself to me right now! Nope, nothing! I guess �god� is very selective, right?
During my Christian years, I used to rationalize myself out of why "god" isn't revealing itself to me as it does with other Christians. My rationalization was the catch all my-dog-ate-my-homework of theology - "god works in mysterious ways"!
But now I comprehend why "god" doesn't reveal itself to me; and it�s through no fault of my own. I don't have the genetic make up and/or the neurotransmitter requirements for having the "fantasy prone personality". In other words, I'm mentally deficient in the hallucination department.
Sorry for going outside the bounds of BE, but over and over people make that silly suggestion that unless we honestly ask god to reveal himself, he won�t. I thought I would address it one more time! Furthermore, for just this one time I want to borrow a favorite fallacious argument within the Christian circles and apply it to myself � I�m proof that there is no such thing as a god (at least not the Christian �god�)!
It seems Christians are beginning to realize that it�s futile to defend the bible. Because more often than not, they keep trying to take the argument away from the problems of the bible and into philosophical questions such as metaphysics and cosmology. For the sake of focus I�d like to tell apologists that the issue isn�t whether god exists, but whether the bible passes as the word of god! -Fred

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