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Date Posted: 23:01:33 06/15/00 Thu
Author: Remington
Subject: Are you Satan?
In reply to: Max 's message, "Re: Questions for Remington" on 20:15:32 06/15/00 Thu

> > I am a business consultant, and a student of single
> > axis golf, and I can tell you that the main reason
> > that they haven't got about five percent of the
> market
> > is that the system doesn't work, for their students,
> > over a two year period of time.
>
> How did you come to the conclusion that it doesn't
> work? What percentage of NG students fail?

Remington: Based on the number of video tapes that they have sold, more than 90% tried, but did not accept the NG method.
>
> The reason it doesn't
> > work is because they are instructing the system
> > incorrectly, and haven't taken the time to learn the
> > system from the student's perspective.
>
> Do you think that the people at NG never had to learn
> the system?

Remington: There are some excellent CIs at NG. However, others constantly talk about pulling, while others talk about pushing. Many talk about Moe saying things that are not true (that's true), and others claim that everything he said is gospel. Some CIs say to take the club inside, and others argue to take it straight back. Even the stars on the video tapes don't grip the club correctly. So you tell me who has learned the system? I'll tell you one: Todd Graves.
> What process
> > does the student go through to learn the system? NG
> > still hasn't learned to think from the student's
> > perspective. Further, the CIs talk down to their
> > students, for the most part, and don't know how to
> > deal with the issues that student's bring forth.
>
> How many CIs have you personally taken lessons from?
> Are all the CIs the same?

Remington: Just one. The CIs are very different, in their beliefs and execution of the dogma.
>
> > NGCIs are famous for sticking to the canned phrases.
> > Quite frankly, all the information is there, but
> > explaining why it works, and how it works, isn't
> there.
>
> On what do you base these claims?

Remington: Try the discussions on the NG forum for starters, and read the magazine, from NG for more examples.
>
> >
> > I (and I say this in all humility) could take a Moe
> > student, and have him hooked, and successful on the
> > method, in one day. Notice I said hooked and
> > successful.
>
> How long have you been teaching golf? You must be a
> scratch golfer now. Tell us about your great success
> rate with teaching Moe golf.

Remington: I am a hacker that likes DG groups.
>
> NG doesn't get them hooked; nor
> > successful.
>
> Again, please give us proof that they aren't being
> successful.

Remington: I already did. You give me proof that they are successful.
>
> The reason that I could do this is that I
> > learned the system, as a serious student, and I know
> > what it takes to learn the system. NG doesn't have a
> > clue. They really don't.
>
> Please provide us proof of your claims.

Remington: The proof is in the pudding. Their conversion ratio, based on the number of videos sold, is too low. Again, if they ever get to a 3 or 4 percent market share, the people that didn't get the system will so overwhelm the people that did get the system that they won't stand a chance. This has always been true of instructional systems. You have to ENSURE a certain percentage of successuful completions, or you can kiss the duck goodbye. People who have done instruction very successfully in this regard are the various martial arts.
>
> They have all the
> > information, but they don't know how to hook, and
> make
> > successful. A lot of enthusiasm, but a lack of
> > knowledge, in this area. They will learn. In the
> > meantime, there is a gold mine sitting there in all
> of
> > the students that didn't master NG, and that provides
> > fodder for the other systems.
> >
> > Remington
>
> Are you God?

Remington: Yes, I think I am. Are you Satan?

Max, let me say this to you, as this is the first time you have chosen to mix it up with me, and I'll entertain your questions, this once. However, as the regulars know, I don't like people to chew my garbage. If you don't like what I post, make a post of your own, telling the readers your points. Don't chew my garbage, and don't expect me to help you support your arguments. Be original. If you have some figures that show that NG has sold to like 30% of the people that order the video, put them on the line. This is a discussion group, and we are all interested in your viewpoints. However, don't waste our time chewing my garbage.

Remington

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