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Date Posted: 18:09:52 06/13/00 Tue
Author: Peter
Subject: Re: References & Definitions
In reply to: Arista 's message, "Re: References & Definitions" on 17:19:44 06/13/00 Tue

> Then this means his clubface is lying on the
> plane.

When I look at the picture a line from the ball to the clubhead is not parallel to the line formed by the club face. If you draw a line from the clubface to the ball and call that the plane. then of course the clubface lies on it. That says nothing about their relative orientations

>
> It is not what I mean.

I was quoting DavidL from the previous post. Not you unless you are also DavidL

> From hip high to hip high the
> clubface is on a right angle with the plane,
> past hip high it rotates to on the plane. The
> clubface has to be on a right angle with the plane
> through impact to hit the ball straight, other wise
> you'd hit it right all day.

That must be an amazing rate of rotation to rotate through over 90 degrees along the axis of the shaft from the position shown in the picture (slightly above hip high) to fully perpendicular to the plane line at hip height. The videos I have do not show this.

> You've been incompetently using Golfing Machine
> terminology this whole board.

I think you mean this whole "thread". You introduced TGM not I. I used a term and defined it. Just because that term exists in TGM does not mean that was my source. Personally I find TGM language often non-intuitive and I am more interested here in effective communication than in adhering to a particular dogma.

> Not only is the plane
> line the target line near impact but also the whole
> swing. The plane line is the target line since the
> base of the plane defines the target line.

A plane here is a two dimensional object in a 3 dimensional space. The line formed by the plane when viewed from the back looking down the target line is not the target line. it is a line sloped from the ball to, in Hogan's case, the shoulder. This is the perspective being used when people talk about being under or over the plane. This is also the perspective when Moe talks about his downswing being 'flatter' than his upswing.

I don't think this thread is going in a direction that will add value to this board so I will end my participation at this point. The positions are here and the photos are there for examination. Everyone can form their own opinions. Thank you all for your indulgence.

Peter

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