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Date Posted: 18:35:52 04/09/02 Tue
Author: Neuminas
Subject: Re: Message Board Court is in fool* affect. Serpent, you're still required to respond to this, as well..
In reply to: The Serpent 's message, "Re: Message Board Court is in fool* affect. Serpent, you're still required to respond to this, as well.." on 13:15:56 04/07/02 Sun

Serpent, you and I are ironically in the same boat.
We both are easily categorized into groups with people who are idiots.
Many of the people who listen to the music you do, for example, have not given many of these issues the amount of thought or attention that you have.
For my part, I look to a certain figure for guidance, inspiration, etc. A group of people who are misguided at best and hateful at worst look to this same figure.

Consider what you wrote:
Well, forgive my lack of knowledge to exactly know where everything is in the Bible, however, I think it was summed up when people came to the conclusion that if sex is a "sin," and we're born from the act of sex, then we're born from an act of "sin."

Remeber, I asked you where it said that in the bible. You were correct in referring to "people coming to the conclusion". Yes, there is a strain of conservative Christianity which holds with what you speak of. There's a great discussion about it in the play/film "Inherit The Wind." The defence lawyer pretty well dismantles the silly idea that original sin is related to sex and this connection somehow corrupts us.
The conception of salvation you point to is similarly represenative of one branch of Christianity. Your points are a valid refutation of that branch. But don't burn down the whole tree!

I understand how you might infer a slam at atheist morals in my words. And I'll be blunt: I believe that atheist morals are in someway inconsistent. This is not to say that I think atheists behave less morally than religious folks. It is to say that I believe they are inconsistent for acting in a manner which is altruistic.
As I see it Religion is about a transformation by putting us in touch with a more fundamental reality. That's why you can suspect that a real religion is present wherever people are transformed for the better.
If there was a society of blind men who lived in a cactus patch, and suddenly someone was connected to reality in a deeper way, that is, he could see, we might observe that he didn't walk into cactuses. And if he claimed to be sighted but still walked into cactuses, we might doubt that he really was seeing at all.
And there are non-religious deeper connections. They are rare, I think. And maybe they are all in someway inconsistent.
But I don't for a second believe that their is anything innately better about a person who is religious...
And a transforming faith, one that is not hollow, not merely man constructed, offers no insantiy, lies, etc.

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