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Date Posted: 22:28:49 04/29/02 Mon
Author: Drummond
Subject: Spank your wife for Christ

It's been claimed that Christian fundamentalism incorporates a heavy sexual component, dating back to the humiliation of accused witches. This guy's a lunatic.
What follows is only part of the essay. The whole deranged thing is at http://akadad.bizland.com/ddbook.htm


04. THE ACTUAL SPANKING OF SPOUSES:



After all is said and done, it is up to the man and wife to either accept or reject, CP based accountability in the home. Because of the special “intimate relationship” between a man and his wife, there are special considerations to consider regarding spousal discipline. If a man believes it is his rightful place to discipline his wife WITHOUR her consent, he must be willing to accept full responsibility for his actions. While I believe there is a scriptural basis for a man holding his wife accountable in this manner, the man who does this may find himself behind bars, or being served divorce papers. The best way to prevent these type of reactions is to marry someone with the same type of beliefs you have regarding DD, and the chain-of-command in the home. If either spouse becomes a believer in DD after they marry, they will normally have to do a LOT of praying, and spend a LOT of time “converting” their spouse. (more about this later)


When a man and wife AGREE concerning DD, it is a good sign they also agree concerning many other marriage related matters. The joy people like this share, is the best possible testimony as to the benefits of a marriage relationship with DD incorporated into it. No woman can give her husband any greater gift, than her total submission to his love and his authority over her. When this happens, a man will dedicate his life to pleasing his wife in every possible way. The end result is two very happy people, and a home built upon solid scriptural ground.


Many people ask me about spousal spanking agreements, as a way of defining some borders and limits regarding their DD arrangement. I have read a few different such agreements, and I have even composed one myself. While I am not totally against the idea of making a legally binding agreement concerning DD, I believe the BEST route to true happiness is always based on mutual love, trust, and respect. People seem to be able to engage in sexual lovemaking without a pre-defined list of activities, and restrictions. Can you imagine a married couple drafting a “contract” to govern their sexual life? To do so would insure dull sex, and open doors for both spouses to seek “satisfaction” outside of their marriage relationship. If your marriage is healthy, you won’t have to make special agreements involving DD or anything else concerning your spouse.


While I don’t believe contracts or agreements are necessary, I do believe spouses should be able to discuss things like DD without problems. Even a king has people he trusts in, to provide him with counsel. Your wife is such a person, as she knows you better than anyone else on Earth should. Your exploration into the world of DD can be a true adventure, if handled properly. The end result is worth the effort, so don’t avoid the quest just because there are some “unknown” factors along the journey.


A good place to start on the DD road, is within the marriage bed. Many couples play around with spanking to some degree, as part of their sexual foreplay. This affords them an opportunity to use their “play” as a means to indoctrinate each spouse into the realm of spanking as a form of REAL discipline. A husband might increase the intensity of a play spanking “just enough” to let his wife know what she can expect if she does something wrong. Chances are she would take the hint, and make a mental note to remember there was now an “extra” factor of accountability in her life.


Some people look upon spanking for pleasure, as something perverted or kinky at best. I believe there is a place for erotic spanking within the context of marriage, if it is something a husband and wife enjoy together. As with sexual intercourse, spanking for erotic reasons should ONLY be conducted within the framework of a true marriage relationship. The marriage bed is God’s gift to husbands and wives, and it is there own personal “playground.” If we would all remember this, we might play more and sleep less while in bed.


Having said all of this, we need to understand true discipline should be a LOT different than any other type spanking experience. It is important to understand that discipline is punishment, and not a prelude to sex. While couples may disrobe completely for erotic spankings, I believe true discipline spankings should be a non-erotic as possible. Since the buttocks area should be the target of a discipline spanking, it is not necessary to strip a spouse naked to spank them. Simply have your spouse lower their outer clothing and underwear enough to expose their buttocks, and spank them firmly enough to deter a repeat offense. If you spank too lightly or make a game out of the discipline process, you will create more problems than you cure.


True discipline is something which works because it deals directly with our carnal nature.

This “fleshly nature” drives us toward things like sex, food, and drink, but it does not want anything to do with God, and concepts like righteous living. If there is not a penalty in place for doing wrong, your “flesh” will ALWAYS steer you straight into trouble, misery, and pain. The flesh is a dumb spirit, because it disregards even the “natural” penalties wrong actions bring upon us. An alcoholic will lust after alcohol and having a drunken spree, knowing IN ADVANCE their will be headaches, hangovers, and such, as a direct result of their drinking binge.


Our carnal nature has a place in life, as it is part of us as much as our physical body is. God wants us to eat, drink, and even enjoy things like sex, but only in accordance with His rules and regulations regarding such things. Eat, but don’t become a glutton, Drink, but don’t become a drunkard. Enjoy sex, but only with your spouse. Your carnal self can be gratified in many ways, without getting into excess and sin. It can and will remind you to eat, and do other things which are not evil by default.


The book of Galatians talks about Earthly kings who are trained and corrected, in their youth. Kings may be spanked in their youth, by the very same servants they one day rule over. In a way, our carnal self is like a child. It drives us toward both good and bad things, UNTIL we “get saved” and begin to be directed by the Spirit of God instead. In some ways an unsaved person is like a kid who never grows up.


No matter the degree of control your carnal flesh has over you, it will ALWAYS respond to CP based punishment. Sinner or saint, you will be less inclined to do wrong when there is a price to pay for your wrong doing. Christians are to reckon their fleshly nature as being dead and buried, but it is always there to haunt us if we allow it to be resurrected to some degree. If you don’t feed your “new self” with prayer and bible study, the “old man” will become a literal ghost in your life. God forbids us to play around with dead things, which includes our pre-salvation self!


We are born with a carnal nature, and it is the primary driving force in life for ALL human beings. Because of this “fact of life,” CP is the “remedy of choice” to control our carnal self. While the Spirit of God can override this force when people accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, most do not do so until they become adults and answer God’s call upon their life. Even those who do, often need a time of “training and correction” until they learn to trust and rely on God by faith. If our secular and religious world understood this simple truth, we would all be a lot better off. Even people who will never accept Christ, will live better lives here on Earth, if they are held accountable for the things they do.


While a husband may have as many, or even more problems than his wife, it is still his place to enforce the rules and discipline her. Even a parent who does wrong, is still obligated to discipline their own children. When a husband does not do his job, the entire household is in jeopardy. When the man of the house has strength, integrity, and dedication, his entire family cannot help but do better. If Mrs. **** is too proud or arrogant to accept discipline when she does wrong, she is unfit for office as a wife and mother. If Mr. **** won’t discipline his own wife, he is unfit for office too. Who would obey God, if He did not enforce His directives? God would not be God, if He just let “his kids” always do what they wanted to do. (see Hebrews chapter 12) It is time for us to do what is right, even when it not “politically correct” to do so.


When you use CP based discipline upon your spouse, you are administering a small amount of physical pain to prevent major problems down the road. A sore backside is a small price to pay, to keep a marriage intact. When a spouse simply does anything they want, and is not held accountable for the wrongs they do, the marriage becomes a bed of anguish, bitterness, and resentment. If this goes unchecked, the marriage may well decline to a point where either or both spouses become unfaithful. After this occurs, divorce is usually the next and final step toward total destruction of what should have been a Holy union. Pity the children born of a such a flawed relationship, as they will often just repeat the same mistakes later in life.


If you and your wife are not truly “led of the Spirit,” you are led by your carnal nature. If this is the case, BY ALL MEANS incorporate DD into your relationship. A few firm spankings can very possible save your marriage, and change a smart mouthed spouse into a loving, caring, and respectful person. If a spouse is not willing to submit to a reasonable and fair DD type arrangement, it is a good indication their priorities are totally selfish in nature. Any person who wants a “free pass” to do wrong is very immature, spoiled, and a terrible commentary on their own family. They are also deceived, as PAYDAY arrives for everyone in time.


If you are married, you are either first or second in command in your own home. (depending on your gender) If you are the MR. In the home, make sure you take your job seriously and NEVER allow your wife or children to escape the penalty for doing wrong. Be fair and reasonable, but be consistent in your discipline. For serious offenses, always consider spanking the offender. (minor offenses can be handled in different ways) Do this, and you will be proud of your family members at all times. Neglect this area of life, and you will be ashamed to admit you are the “head” of your home.


If your are the MRS. In the home, you need to be sure you discipline your children on a consistent basis, and you need to be sure you submit to discipline when you do wrong. This is a great testimony toward others, who know nothing about DD concepts. While they look upon you as being at least “a little crazy,” these people will also notice you are truly happy and at peace inside. When they compare the joy in life you have with their relative state of misery, you may find they begin asking questions concerning some of your DD concepts and practices.


I am not here to tell you when, how, and how much, to discipline anyone in your household. All I ask is for you to prayerfully look at DD as something that can improve, and maintain a high degree of integrity and order within the framework of your own home and family. You have everything to gain and nothing lose, when you do things God’s way. DD is a contemporary term for concepts that originated in the garden of Eden. You can be an “Eve” and buy the lies of this world’s that originate from far down below, or you can embrace the TRUTH which was manifested to us by the Second Adam. Think carefully, as the Second Adam is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
It's been claimed that Christian fundamentalism incorporates a heavy sexual component, dating back to the humiliation of accused witches. This guy's a lunatic.
What follows is only part of the essay. The whole deranged thing is at http://akadad.bizland.com/ddbook.htm


04. THE ACTUAL SPANKING OF SPOUSES:



After all is said and done, it is up to the man and wife to either accept or reject, CP based accountability in the home. Because of the special “intimate relationship” between a man and his wife, there are special considerations to consider regarding spousal discipline. If a man believes it is his rightful place to discipline his wife WITHOUR her consent, he must be willing to accept full responsibility for his actions. While I believe there is a scriptural basis for a man holding his wife accountable in this manner, the man who does this may find himself behind bars, or being served divorce papers. The best way to prevent these type of reactions is to marry someone with the same type of beliefs you have regarding DD, and the chain-of-command in the home. If either spouse becomes a believer in DD after they marry, they will normally have to do a LOT of praying, and spend a LOT of time “converting” their spouse. (more about this later)


When a man and wife AGREE concerning DD, it is a good sign they also agree concerning many other marriage related matters. The joy people like this share, is the best possible testimony as to the benefits of a marriage relationship with DD incorporated into it. No woman can give her husband any greater gift, than her total submission to his love and his authority over her. When this happens, a man will dedicate his life to pleasing his wife in every possible way. The end result is two very happy people, and a home built upon solid scriptural ground.


Many people ask me about spousal spanking agreements, as a way of defining some borders and limits regarding their DD arrangement. I have read a few different such agreements, and I have even composed one myself. While I am not totally against the idea of making a legally binding agreement concerning DD, I believe the BEST route to true happiness is always based on mutual love, trust, and respect. People seem to be able to engage in sexual lovemaking without a pre-defined list of activities, and restrictions. Can you imagine a married couple drafting a “contract” to govern their sexual life? To do so would insure dull sex, and open doors for both spouses to seek “satisfaction” outside of their marriage relationship. If your marriage is healthy, you won’t have to make special agreements involving DD or anything else concerning your spouse.


While I don’t believe contracts or agreements are necessary, I do believe spouses should be able to discuss things like DD without problems. Even a king has people he trusts in, to provide him with counsel. Your wife is such a person, as she knows you better than anyone else on Earth should. Your exploration into the world of DD can be a true adventure, if handled properly. The end result is worth the effort, so don’t avoid the quest just because there are some “unknown” factors along the journey.


A good place to start on the DD road, is within the marriage bed. Many couples play around with spanking to some degree, as part of their sexual foreplay. This affords them an opportunity to use their “play” as a means to indoctrinate each spouse into the realm of spanking as a form of REAL discipline. A husband might increase the intensity of a play spanking “just enough” to let his wife know what she can expect if she does something wrong. Chances are she would take the hint, and make a mental note to remember there was now an “extra” factor of accountability in her life.


Some people look upon spanking for pleasure, as something perverted or kinky at best. I believe there is a place for erotic spanking within the context of marriage, if it is something a husband and wife enjoy together. As with sexual intercourse, spanking for erotic reasons should ONLY be conducted within the framework of a true marriage relationship. The marriage bed is God’s gift to husbands and wives, and it is there own personal “playground.” If we would all remember this, we might play more and sleep less while in bed.


Having said all of this, we need to understand true discipline should be a LOT different than any other type spanking experience. It is important to understand that discipline is punishment, and not a prelude to sex. While couples may disrobe completely for erotic spankings, I believe true discipline spankings should be a non-erotic as possible. Since the buttocks area should be the target of a discipline spanking, it is not necessary to strip a spouse naked to spank them. Simply have your spouse lower their outer clothing and underwear enough to expose their buttocks, and spank them firmly enough to deter a repeat offense. If you spank too lightly or make a game out of the discipline process, you will create more problems than you cure.


True discipline is something which works because it deals directly with our carnal nature.

This “fleshly nature” drives us toward things like sex, food, and drink, but it does not want anything to do with God, and concepts like righteous living. If there is not a penalty in place for doing wrong, your “flesh” will ALWAYS steer you straight into trouble, misery, and pain. The flesh is a dumb spirit, because it disregards even the “natural” penalties wrong actions bring upon us. An alcoholic will lust after alcohol and having a drunken spree, knowing IN ADVANCE their will be headaches, hangovers, and such, as a direct result of their drinking binge.


Our carnal nature has a place in life, as it is part of us as much as our physical body is. God wants us to eat, drink, and even enjoy things like sex, but only in accordance with His rules and regulations regarding such things. Eat, but don’t become a glutton, Drink, but don’t become a drunkard. Enjoy sex, but only with your spouse. Your carnal self can be gratified in many ways, without getting into excess and sin. It can and will remind you to eat, and do other things which are not evil by default.


The book of Galatians talks about Earthly kings who are trained and corrected, in their youth. Kings may be spanked in their youth, by the very same servants they one day rule over. In a way, our carnal self is like a child. It drives us toward both good and bad things, UNTIL we “get saved” and begin to be directed by the Spirit of God instead. In some ways an unsaved person is like a kid who never grows up.


No matter the degree of control your carnal flesh has over you, it will ALWAYS respond to CP based punishment. Sinner or saint, you will be less inclined to do wrong when there is a price to pay for your wrong doing. Christians are to reckon their fleshly nature as being dead and buried, but it is always there to haunt us if we allow it to be resurrected to some degree. If you don’t feed your “new self” with prayer and bible study, the “old man” will become a literal ghost in your life. God forbids us to play around with dead things, which includes our pre-salvation self!


We are born with a carnal nature, and it is the primary driving force in life for ALL human beings. Because of this “fact of life,” CP is the “remedy of choice” to control our carnal self. While the Spirit of God can override this force when people accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, most do not do so until they become adults and answer God’s call upon their life. Even those who do, often need a time of “training and correction” until they learn to trust and rely on God by faith. If our secular and religious world understood this simple truth, we would all be a lot better off. Even people who will never accept Christ, will live better lives here on Earth, if they are held accountable for the things they do.


While a husband may have as many, or even more problems than his wife, it is still his place to enforce the rules and discipline her. Even a parent who does wrong, is still obligated to discipline their own children. When a husband does not do his job, the entire household is in jeopardy. When the man of the house has strength, integrity, and dedication, his entire family cannot help but do better. If Mrs. **** is too proud or arrogant to accept discipline when she does wrong, she is unfit for office as a wife and mother. If Mr. **** won’t discipline his own wife, he is unfit for office too. Who would obey God, if He did not enforce His directives? God would not be God, if He just let “his kids” always do what they wanted to do. (see Hebrews chapter 12) It is time for us to do what is right, even when it not “politically correct” to do so.


When you use CP based discipline upon your spouse, you are administering a small amount of physical pain to prevent major problems down the road. A sore backside is a small price to pay, to keep a marriage intact. When a spouse simply does anything they want, and is not held accountable for the wrongs they do, the marriage becomes a bed of anguish, bitterness, and resentment. If this goes unchecked, the marriage may well decline to a point where either or both spouses become unfaithful. After this occurs, divorce is usually the next and final step toward total destruction of what should have been a Holy union. Pity the children born of a such a flawed relationship, as they will often just repeat the same mistakes later in life.


If you and your wife are not truly “led of the Spirit,” you are led by your carnal nature. If this is the case, BY ALL MEANS incorporate DD into your relationship. A few firm spankings can very possible save your marriage, and change a smart mouthed spouse into a loving, caring, and respectful person. If a spouse is not willing to submit to a reasonable and fair DD type arrangement, it is a good indication their priorities are totally selfish in nature. Any person who wants a “free pass” to do wrong is very immature, spoiled, and a terrible commentary on their own family. They are also deceived, as PAYDAY arrives for everyone in time.


If you are married, you are either first or second in command in your own home. (depending on your gender) If you are the MR. In the home, make sure you take your job seriously and NEVER allow your wife or children to escape the penalty for doing wrong. Be fair and reasonable, but be consistent in your discipline. For serious offenses, always consider spanking the offender. (minor offenses can be handled in different ways) Do this, and you will be proud of your family members at all times. Neglect this area of life, and you will be ashamed to admit you are the “head” of your home.


If your are the MRS. In the home, you need to be sure you discipline your children on a consistent basis, and you need to be sure you submit to discipline when you do wrong. This is a great testimony toward others, who know nothing about DD concepts. While they look upon you as being at least “a little crazy,” these people will also notice you are truly happy and at peace inside. When they compare the joy in life you have with their relative state of misery, you may find they begin asking questions concerning some of your DD concepts and practices.


I am not here to tell you when, how, and how much, to discipline anyone in your household. All I ask is for you to prayerfully look at DD as something that can improve, and maintain a high degree of integrity and order within the framework of your own home and family. You have everything to gain and nothing lose, when you do things God’s way. DD is a contemporary term for concepts that originated in the garden of Eden. You can be an “Eve” and buy the lies of this world’s that originate from far down below, or you can embrace the TRUTH which was manifested to us by the Second Adam. Think carefully, as the Second Adam is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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