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Subject: Re: What's a guy to do


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 01/ 4/08 9:52pm
In reply to: Guy 's message, "What's a guy to do" on 01/ 4/08 7:30am

I'm glad you came.

I want to think about this overnight. I do have some thoughts. But I'm sleepy right now, and I'll express myself better when I'm rested. I just want you to know I am thinking about you.

Legally there isn't much you can do. If you still had the relationship, you could tell her that if she aborts the child, the relationship is over. You have every right to defend your child, and the fact you can't do so legally is unfair and unjust, in my opinion. You are under NO obligation to support her if she says she is getting an abortion. If I were you, I'd tell her so! This is your child, too! And you would protect your child if you were legally allowed to do so. Try to impress on her how you feel about it.

And yes, even though she thinks not achieving her goals would be likely if she has the baby, it's not so, and I can tell you from personal experience it's not. You should offer her whatever support she feels she needs. Also, offer to raise the child if necessary. And so forth.

It's NOT best for her to destroy her own child, and to allow some quack (and that's what they are) to invade her body with medical instruments. The medical and emotional consequences can be severe. They include the possibility of being killed either by the abortion or by some consequence of it.

I'll get back to you after I'm rested. Hang in there. We'll be praying for you.

Take care,
Pat

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[> Subject: Re: What's a guy to do


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/08 12:43pm

Guy,

I'm more awake now.

Let me tell you a couple of stories that will illustrate why I think your ex can have her baby. The first one is about when I got my college degree. At the time, my husband cared for the children a few hours a week so I could go to class. I also had a babysitter on campus for one course (two hours a week), and for one of our children, we used day care a few hours a week. By the time I got my degree, we had four children, three of them preschoolers. So I know that with a little bit of child care help, it can be done, because I did it.

The other one concerns one of our grandsons. He was born from a casual affair. They were only together for a few weeks. We didn't even find out about him until he was 17 months old. Talk about how disappointed I was not to know about him! Anyway, there was never any question about him being just another of our grandchildren. (We currently have six). The two of them are friends, but so far, it hasn't gone any further than that. But they are taking excellent care of him. He's healthy, and he's a good boy, and a delight to be around. They take turns taking care of him while the other one is working. Occasionally, her sisters take care of him. Obviously, it isn't an ideal situation, but it's working, And they are both pursuing their lives.

You should both go to a crisis pregnancy agency. You can find one in your area by going here: www.pregnancycenters.org They can help you make arrangements for the things that are difficult for you. At the very least, she owes it to you both to make the attempt to see how it can be worked out. Two other options would be for her to place your baby for adoption, or for you to take physical custody.

There are many people who are doing one or another of these.

On the other hand, abortion is dangerous for women. It can cause horrible emotional and spiritual problems, it can maim a woman for life or even kill her. Abortion facilities by and large don't come close to being decent clinics by any health standards. A woman who has an abortion has a heightened risk of getting breast cancer, which in this case usually occurs in a woman's 40's, and 1/4 of the women die from it. It can cause a future child to be born very prematurely, which can cause damage to the brain, and increases a woman's chances of having a child with cerebral palsy. That sort of thing is a major life-altering event. She already has a child. It will cause him insecurity, because one way or another, he'll know about it on some level. It will make it harder for her to be a good mother.

No wonderful goal for one's life or career justifies this kind of assault on a woman, or on her child. Life isn't that simple anyway. An abortion is forever. You can't take it back. There is no sense on her pursuing this horrible solution and ruining her life, because it LOOKS easy. And complications and damage can happen to anyone, no matter how certain she is that she wants an abortion. I wouldn't wish that off on my dog. She should look at the ultrasound of her baby. The crisis pregnancy agency often can do one so she can see. She needs to find out as much as she can about your baby's development and about what abortion does. The more she knows, the more satisfied she will be with whatever course of action she takes.

We love all three of you, and we don't want to see her get hurt. So the important thing is not to give your consent or acquiesce. Just because you don't have a legal position doesn't mean you don't have the right to protect your child, and certainly as a man, you have the desire. That's obvious. So let her know how you really feel. She may think this is just her decision, and legally it is, but this decision will affect two other people, as well as your family members.

We will continue to pray for you. Feel free to come back, no matter what she does. And if she needs anything, she is welcome as well.

Take care,
Pat
[> [> Subject: Re: What's a guy to do


Author:
luka
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Date Posted: 01/ 9/08 3:16am

I'd like to add to what Pat said. Abortions damage a womans uterus! I know because i have had a few and mine is damaged which has made my last 2 pregnancies risky not only to my baby but my own life. Most women don't realise what damage is being done untill something bad happens during a pregnancy. I am lucky in that i know about the extent of damage done because i had to have an emergency c section one time and was told. Really it's bad news. I have had an abortion under twilight sedation, youre semi consious but don't remeber anything afterwards. I have faint memories though and i know i screamed and fought. I remember pain. It was extremely distressing. Wether or not a woman is awake , the same thing goes on. I wish for you that you are able to both have your baby and work it out somehow. The alternative is not something that ever leaves you. You can sweep it under the carpet and do your best to move on but it can't ever be undone.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: What's a guy to do


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 01/10/08 10:33pm

"The alternative is not something that ever leaves you. You can sweep it under the carpet and do your best to move on but it can't ever be undone."

Wow, thank you for post, Luka, and for being willing to share part of your life and experience. You're amazing.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What's a guy to do


Author:
Jonathan (HELP)
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Date Posted: 01/24/08 1:41pm

Me and My Girlfriend of a year and a half have been broke up for about a month, in that month she got pregnant..The father says he will be their,He just joined the army to support them.Her family has disowned her for this pregnancy
all she has is me and the father.Im 500 Miles away in college, He's at basic training. She feels she has made a big mistake with the pregnancy And who the father is. We still love each other and we want to be together but the father wants to be with her and she doesnt want the child to grow up without the father..She said everything just happened so fast..I Want To Help Her. The father doesnt want me talking to her but she even said He would not come between us!!!I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE THE CHILD DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE BROUGHT IN THIS WORLD AND I DONT WANT HIM/HER TO SUFFER FOR IT!!!



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