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Subject: Re: guilt and regret


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 05/ 7/07 10:17pm
In reply to: jaye 's message, "Re: guilt and regret" on 05/ 6/07 6:28pm

Jaye,

I meant to say on the other thread that your post(s) have been a joy to read, too. You are an amazing woman and I can really see God working in you.

You say that it's hard because you're aware of the promises you make to God to 'get back on track' and feel defeated when things do go as planned.

You're in company! Christians throughout time eternity have struggled with that discouragement. Our hope, though, is a sure foundation in Christ. He said at the cross, "It is finished." That means that our salvation, from start to finished, was secured for us at that point in history when he conquered death for it.

Practically speaking, this means that while you and I should do our very best to live our lives "in a manner worthy of that which we've been called" as the Bible says, we should in no way think, even for a minute, that anything we do (good OR bad) adds or subtracts in any way to our salvation in Christ. Because it's HIS righteousness that secured it for us, not our own, and we are simply being clothed in His grace.

We miss this a lot. It comes to mind readily enough for the Christian to know that when Christ died on the cross He did so to forgive our sins. But how often to remember that He didn't just leave it at that? In addition to wiping our slates clean he gave us something else in sin's place. He imputed HIS righteousness to us so we could be reconciled to God, which is what the desire of our hearts is.

Of course we still sin, and will until we are finally at rest at home with the One who made us. But we grow in grace, and you my dear sister are a shining testimony of this.

Just hold on to the heart of the gospel! Found well summarized in Ephesians: "For it is by GRACE we have been saved, through faith, and that not our ourselves it is a gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship."

(Caps are mine.)

So when you're discouraged when you blow it, just confess your sin, repent, and move on knowing you're wholly forgiven.

The same God that is holy, perfect, and who we stand condemned before rightly for our sins apart from Christ, is also tender, forgiving, and compassionate to those who come to Him. And He loves you! Don't let having a sin nature like the rest of us keep you out of church. There is a great family of support for you there.

Thanks for being willing to share a little bit of your life and journey here. It's very good to read.

Love,

Heather

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: guilt and regret


Author:
Sandee (at a loss)
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Date Posted: 06/13/07 7:08am

My 17 year old daughter is 2/12 months pregnant and has already set her mind on abortion. I am very upset with her decision. I remember considering the same with my second child but didn't have the courage to go through with it and am glad that I didn't. I now have two beautiful girls. I've read the horror stories and how the experience had left traumatic scarring in all aspects. I don't want that for my daughter. I don't think that she even realizes what abortion does to a woman's body amd mind. Just the thought of knowing that my grandchild wasn't given a chance at life is unfair and disheartening. I pray that God will forgive her. Her procedure is set for Friday, 6/15/07.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: guilt and regret


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 06/13/07 11:19am

Sandee,

Here is one place where you will need to show her some tough love, and it might or might not work. Tell her that she is threatening to abort your grandchild, and that this is unacceptable. Tell her that if she has an abortion, they will slice up her baby, and this will cause your grandchild excruciating pain. Tell her that abortion is NOT safe, and she could bring harm on herself, up to and including death. Tell her that if she does, you will disown her. Mean it. Tell her that you won't have a murderer in your home. (If she is not living in your home, you can still tell her that she is not to call or visit you at all, if she goes through with it.) I don't know if this will work, but it's the only thing I can think of. Or, hijack her and have someone who can show her what abortion is talk to her. And if she still persists, go back to disowning her. Feel free to yell and scream at her. Let her SEE how you feel.

It's not that you want to reject her. But the fact is, God will reject her if she does that and doesn't repent, so it is certainly appropriate. And obviously, if she does it and repents later, you will want to take her back. But right now, she needs to be stopped by any means possible. I can think of only one thing to do and that is to make your opposition EMPHATIC. She needs to know that even if she gets away with it (emotionally and medically), there will be consequences.

It might or might not work. All I can tell you is that I told our children that if they ever got involved in abortion, they would be disinherited, that it is in our wills. And nobody did.

One thing also to keep in mind that I learned is that sometimes we aren't meant to save a particular baby, but the next baby that woman conceives.

She may also be getting pressure from the father of the child, so if you can read HIM the riot act, you should also do that. Tell him that if he is pressuring her in any way, you will sue him for wrongful death. You can find an attorney who will do this pro bono, in all probability. It's not an angle that I know of has been tried. But there are attorneys out there who will do pro bono work on abortion cases. We can help you find one. You can even tell your daughter you will sue HER for wrongful death if she does it. If possible, enlist him to tell her that if she does it, their relationship is OVER. It's even possible that he would like to protect his child, but thinks he doesn't stand a chance.

I realize this will make it difficult for her to reconcile with you, so think of a way of letting her know that you love her, and that's why you have to do this, and that if she has medical problems or whatever, or wants to be reconciled she may contact you, but NOT UNTIL she has repented and sought God's forgiveness. Maybe a crisis pregnancy counselor can help with that. This is the hardest part for me to wrap my brain around.

We will pray for her.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: guilt and regret


Author:
Shellie
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Date Posted: 06/13/07 11:37am

Sandee,

My heart goes out to you! I was wondering, what state do you live in? Does your state require parental consent?

Why does your daughter want to abort? Does the baby's father want the child aborted?

Does your daughter know what her baby looks like? Is she aware of the development that has taken place? If she isn't, she'll most likely learn later and be devastated. A lot of girls are lied to by the abortion clinics. They are told, "it's just a blob of tissue at this point".

Your daughter should have all the facts. Here's some fetal development info:

10 weeks
10 weeks pregnant:eight weeks after conception

*From this week until birth, the developing organism is called a fetus.
*The fetus is now the size of a small strawberry.
*The feet are 2mm long (one tenth of an inch).
The neck is beginning to take shape.
*The body muscles are almost developed. Baby has begun movement.
*While still too small for you to feel, your little one is wriggling and shifting.
*The jaws are in place. The mouth cavity and the nose are joined.
*The ears and nose can now be seen clearly.
*Fingerprints are already evident in the skin.
*Nipples and hair follicles begin to form.

The unborn baby is now called a fetus. Though the fetus is constantly moving, you will not be able to actually feel fetal movement for several more weeks. All of the organs, muscles, and nerves are in place and beginning to function. As the hands and feet develop fingers and toes, they have lost their paddle like look. The touch pads on the fingers form and already have fingerprints.




I'd like to talk to you more, but first, I'd like you to answer the questions above.

Please post here as often as you like. And feel free to direct your daughter to this board. I'd love to hear her thoughts.

Take care,

Shellie
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: guilt and regret


Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 06/13/07 2:37pm

Hi Sandee. I think you are refreshing. I have, in my time, seen a lot of moms literally pushing their daughters in the door of the clinic. The daughters sometimes even protesting, but then when they are asked they will usually give in.

As for tough love, you know your daughter. I would definitely consider a tougher approach, but you know her personality. Ask her if she has seen what happens during an abortion. Tell her she will see someday, even if she doesn't want to know now. Sometimes that works and other times they will do pretty much the opposite of whatever you want. Has she talked to you about it much? Obviously you at least know. I would want to know what the boyfriend is saying. If he (and possibly his parents) are having a say in this, then perhaps it would help if you didn't make any immediate financial demands on them. I think a lot of guys and their families just see 18 years of child support and don't consider the long term effects or consequences. Just let her know that she and her baby will be very supported, she doesn't have to give up her dreams (if you are willing and able to help her.) She also will not be the same. If she has an abortion she doesn't just go back like nothing happened. I think a lot of young girls don't realize this - they may know it, but they just want things to be like before. You don't just become unpregnant. You always know. It will change her either way. She can meet the challenge of being a new parent or harden her heart and have that process affect here that way. Also, you might let her know that most relationships do not survive an abortion, if she still wants to continue a relationship with the baby's father. Obviously having a baby is difficult as well, but an abortion seems to kill a relationship very quickly. Pregnancy has a way of testing a guy's committment level real quickly.

I will say one thing, if you know where the clinic is, it would be good to be there, even though it would be difficult, but you should under no circumstances take her. You probably know that already, but some parents will take their daughter to show love, but if she has problems later, then it often backfires.

My heart really goes out to you. Sometimes, I know it would be nice to painlessly knock sense into them. (Not advocating violence here, but I think you'll know what I mean.) I can see that you love your daughter. If she does not listen to you, then we can point you in the direction of support hopefully for both of you.

Hang in there and don't give up until it's over.



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