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Yup, I think that the Serpent is probably the best-known and winningest of the bunch. Still, I think for me it will be between the HPI Proceed and the Kysosho Fantom--I think that either car will be capable of winning if properly set-up, and it will be cool to win on a car that's not supposed to be in front. Motorwise, I think that I 'm definitely doing an Italian .21--maybe an RB Concepts or a Nova Rossi--These things are gonna sing!!!! -- Erwin8r in Los Angeles, 17:11:44 03/05/02 Tue