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Date Posted: 01:26:10 11/06/99 Sat
Author: saint stephen
Author Host/IP: tspsl1-293.gate.net / 199.227.173.39
Subject: Re: ...and now my reply.
In reply to: Rev. Moore 's message, "...and now my reply." on 07:14:07 11/04/99 Thu

> > So then which is it? Are we to be our own
> > god, and punish the criminals that are their own god
> > too? If this is the case, then what if the criminals,
> > (a term that they would probably not choose for
> > themselves), being a god unto themselves, are doing
> > what they believe in, but this is judged by you or
> the
> > courts to be wrong. Then that line of reasoning has a
> > double standard that says We are our own gods, but
> you
> > are not your own god.
>
> To be your own god means to determine your own values
> through reason and logic. It means to be an individual
> and a leader who follows their own path. Do what you
> will, but use your head. And "don't do the crime if
> you can't do the time". Irrational acts of crime and
> disorder constitutes idiocy, not the state of being
> one's own god.
>
> > Then you go on to talk about the
> > so called "Victimless Crimes" you even admit that
> > there are victims, one being taxpayers,
>
> The only reason they are are is BECAUSE these acts are
> illegal. If they were legalized, the taxpayers would
> not have to waste their tax money.
>
> > but you are
> > silent about the other victims, such as the child
> that
> > could be born of act of prostitution,
>
> That's why there is a thing called birth controll.
>
> > but the fact is
> > that the child would most likely be aborted so that
> > the woman could continue in her profession.
>
> Your point being?
>
> > Do you
> > really think that more laws help?
>
> I never said anything about more laws.
>
> > We have more laws
> > prohibiting guns in and around school properties, yet
> > we still have shootings.
>
> True, but what does that have to about anything?
>
> > Most of the kids doing the
> > shootings stated that they had no hope.
>
> And whos fault is that?
>
> > What hope can
> > you offer?
>
> None. I'm not in the business of handing out security
> blankets. What I do offer is food for thought.
> "Thought" is probably a foreign concept to you.
>
> > I can tell you about Jesus, but you told me
> > that you already know Him yet you wished that you
> > didn't. It sound like you don't know who Jesus really
> > is.
>
> What makes you think your perception of this Jesus
> character more valid than mine?
>
> > There are a lot of problems in this world and
> > mankind has not been able to solve them.
>
> That is because [Hu]mankind hasn't even got up off
> it's ass and tried to solve them. They sit around
> waiting for your magical god to fix everything, but
> WHAT HAS your religion and or god done to solve them?
> Absolutely nothing.
>
> > I believe that God has the answers.
>
> Then where are they? Why does he hold them from us? If
> you are refering to the bible. It seems as if it has
> CAUSED more trouble than it has fixed (if any). Check
> out http://theholybible.cjb.net which reveals the
> falsehoods of the Bible.
>
> In my name,
> Rev. William Moore
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Very intersting, I wonder if you would have as much confronation Mr. Moore if you changed your choice of words(not saying you should, just making a point). Would it be any diffrent if you did not call yourself God, but said everyone should have their own personal relationship with their own personal truths? I think so, and that unfortunately is a flaw on both side. If you want to call yourself God and proffess your beliefs, you should be able to with out them getting so upset. It is their narrow mined scope of looking at things that infuriates them when people question their "truth's". However, you know it infuriates them when you do it, so you gode them, what is the end you are searching for? It is philosophical and religious beliefs that devided us, but it is not their existance alone that creates friction, it is the fact that neither side wishes to Give. I would suggest that This Dave character sounds like a rather intelligent guy at heart, but needs to open his mind a little bit. A one size fits all world centered around his morality simply will not fly, for it is a contradiction to the free will of the human spirt(which religion and Government even admits God
endowed us with). However, Mr. Moore, a man of your extensive intelligence should learn to put yourself in the soes of others, and contimplate why they act like they do, then remain slightly more(no pun intended)tollerant. If we cannot work together, nothing will change for the better.

Love,
Steve

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