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I'd love to read the article Tf but the link doesn't work. -- Candy, 10:15:37 04/24/02 Wed
>Here's the addy:
>http:www.villagevoice.com/issues/0125/ridgeway.php#gop
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Candy, you have to cut and paste the addy. I don't know how to do links:) -- Tf, 10:49:47 04/24/02 Wed
>>Here's the addy:
>>http:www.villagevoice.com/issues/0125/ridgeway.php#gop
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Tf, I don't think they should cut education spending. I think they can still do the tax cut and still properly fund education. Do you have any idea how much money the government wastes? They spent millions on lab tests, like seeing if a mouse can safely deliver babies in space. I am not saying either party is good, but I cannot stand the most of the liberal stuff. My(more inside) -- CC, 12:43:10 04/24/02 Wed
middle-class ass has been lumped as rich by them, and it affects my lfe in varous ways. For example, I coud not afford to send my kids to pre-school. Poor kids get to go free, while my family and I pay the property taxes,too,but only for poor kids to go. They enter kindergarden better prepared. I taught my daughter, but they seem to learn better and pay better attention in school and it is not fair. Plusany tax cut will certainly benefi the rich more- they pay more taxes. People who make more than around $300,000 are taxed at 50% or over(federal plus medicare). If you take away too much of people's earnings, they will lose incentives to earn that extra money. It's through motivation to get rich that people aspire and encourages innovation. It is that very innovation that made our country rich and powerful in the first place. The burden is hardest, however, on the educated, non-rich families, earning from $60,000 to around $120,000. Those families are just people who went to college and steadily advance through their career. It is actually hard to get ahead on those wages, atleast in my area. In Houston, decent homes are around $1100 to $1800 a month, daycare is about $700 per child, and everything else is sky high. In cheaper areas, wages are much lower. It sound like a lot of money, but it is not when you add up the expenses and consider the fact that you pay $2000 to $4000 a month in taxes(depending on filing status and income).
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What you're saying is partially true CC....... -- Candy doesn't believe in freebies at anyone's expense, 14:43:09 04/24/02 Wed
Govt spending is way out of hand and on the most ridiculous things imaginable (I read they actually spent millions on a rape study to find out if woman in short skirts were more susceptible to rape than women in long dresses or pants....the answer was NO!!!) However I don't believe preschool is all that imperative, I didn't go to preschool, neither did my children and to the best of my recollection were fairly literate by the 2nd grade. I never knew ANYONE illiterate until I went to TN. I also have serious issues with all this stuff about kids having this problem (short attention spans), kids have that problem (discipline challenged...when in reality they're just brats) because the parents are so wrapped up in making money they pawn them off on the teachers, who IMO suffer the brunt of raising kids these days and are right up there with cops in being the least appreciated and way underpaid for what they have to deal with day in and day out.
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There's always a lot of wasteful spending, no matter who's in office. I'd much rather my tax dollars help the poor rather than help the rich get richer. I don't believe in the trickle down theory. Look at Enron. I have no respect for greedy corporate leaders. Look at what happened to their middle-class employees. I think conservatives want the middle-class to be mad at the poor for taking advantage. It diverts their attention to what's really happened to America. Who feels secure in their job?.........Not many..... -- Tf, 16:06:52 04/24/02 Wed
>Govt spending is way out of hand and on the most
>ridiculous things imaginable (I read they actually
>spent millions on a rape study to find out if woman in
>short skirts were more susceptible to rape than women
>in long dresses or pants....the answer was NO!!!)
>However I don't believe preschool is all that
>imperative, I didn't go to preschool, neither did my
>children and to the best of my recollection were
>fairly literate by the 2nd grade. I never knew ANYONE
>illiterate until I went to TN. I also have serious
>issues with all this stuff about kids having this
>problem (short attention spans), kids have that
>problem (discipline challenged...when in reality
>they're just brats) because the parents are so wrapped
>up in making money they pawn them off on the teachers,
>who IMO suffer the brunt of raising kids these days
>and are right up there with cops in being the least
>appreciated and way underpaid for what they have to
>deal with day in and day out.
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I want to see it go into healthcare.... -- CC, 08:14:59 04/25/02 Thu
I have no problem with helping the poor, but the government seems to not know how to do that! They always come up with some weird scheme or another. Where I think they should put more funding is into healthcare and job training, especially for disabled people. I want don't the money to go to some stupid program or another that does not really work, a program that just sounds good to voters. I think they need to concentrate on healthcare, especially. That is one thing I do not mind paying more taxes for..It's atrocious that people do not get proper care when they are sick.
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On that we agree:) -- Tf, 10:34:37 04/25/02 Thu
>I have no problem with helping the poor, but the
>government seems to not know how to do that! They
>always come up with some weird scheme or another.
>Where I think they should put more funding is into
>healthcare and job training, especially for disabled
>people. I want don't the money to go to some stupid
>program or another that does not really work, a
>program that just sounds good to voters. I think they
>need to concentrate on healthcare, especially. That is
>one thing I do not mind paying more taxes for..It's
>atrocious that people do not get proper care when they
>are sick.
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Also, my kids didn't qualify for Headstart either, but I think it's a great program. Ask your kid's teachers. I think it's well worth the money. My kids didn't qualify either. I read a lot to them. That got them ready but I sure don't begrudge those who did qualify. -- Tf, 16:18:43 04/24/02 Wed
>Govt spending is way out of hand and on the most
>ridiculous things imaginable (I read they actually
>spent millions on a rape study to find out if woman in
>short skirts were more susceptible to rape than women
>in long dresses or pants....the answer was NO!!!)
>However I don't believe preschool is all that
>imperative, I didn't go to preschool, neither did my
>children and to the best of my recollection were
>fairly literate by the 2nd grade. I never knew ANYONE
>illiterate until I went to TN. I also have serious
>issues with all this stuff about kids having this
>problem (short attention spans), kids have that
>problem (discipline challenged...when in reality
>they're just brats) because the parents are so wrapped
>up in making money they pawn them off on the teachers,
>who IMO suffer the brunt of raising kids these days
>and are right up there with cops in being the least
>appreciated and way underpaid for what they have to
>deal with day in and day out.
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It's not that I havea problem with others getting it, but I think all should get it.All mothers need a couple hours beak! Also, I think early learning is very important It seemed that the kids I know who went to pre-school have done better academically now. That is just MHO -- CC, 19:52:01 04/24/02 Wed
>>Govt spending is way out of hand and on the most
>>ridiculous things imaginable (I read they actually
>>spent millions on a rape study to find out if woman in
>>short skirts were more susceptible to rape than women
>>in long dresses or pants....the answer was NO!!!)
>>However I don't believe preschool is all that
>>imperative, I didn't go to preschool, neither did my
>>children and to the best of my recollection were
>>fairly literate by the 2nd grade. I never knew ANYONE
>>illiterate until I went to TN. I also have serious
>>issues with all this stuff about kids having this
>>problem (short attention spans), kids have that
>>problem (discipline challenged...when in reality
>>they're just brats) because the parents are so wrapped
>>up in making money they pawn them off on the teachers,
>>who IMO suffer the brunt of raising kids these days
>>and are right up there with cops in being the least
>>appreciated and way underpaid for what they have to
>>deal with day in and day out.
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CC: I'm going to back peddle here and agree about the pre-school. I have 4 small grandbabies and I see a BIG difference between the oldest 2 who I had the luxury of watching for the first 3 yrs while both parents worked. Both of these children could read by 4, the last 2 I didn't watch and the 4 yr old doesn't even know her ABC's (I'm working on it now) It's rough to get competant child care and even the piss poor child care providers are expensive so on that count you are absolutely right -- Candy, 07:51:38 04/25/02 Thu
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To clarify... -- CC, 20:06:14 04/26/02 Fri
I did not mean that I necessarily staunchly support one party over another. It all depends on who's running. When I say liberal, that usually applies to democrats, but not always. We could say something one party has done to screw up, and then come out with something the other party has done equally bad. In general, I find myself agreeing with Republican stuff, though not always. Also, how you view a certain group of politicians depends on your area. In my area, under our democratic leadership, I have seen continual cuts in healthcare, charity clinics closing down, yet property taxes increase outrageously every year. I always hear how the city can no longer afford these things. However, the city has also spent nearly a billion dollar in new stadiums, and somehow managed to convince people it was all for the benefit of the taxpayers, particularly minorities. All they really meant was that it provided temporary contract work. We paid for those stadiums, but the owners got hundreds of millions for the naming rights of the stadium.
As for getting on high horses and judging people, both parties do that, but in different ways. Republicans pretty much say liberal democrats are immoral, and liberals try to make conservatives politicians out to be small-minded and old-fashioned.
If this was like, the first half of the century, I would be more of a democrat. I think they did a lot of good things then, like establishing disability, Medicaid, desegregation, and safer working conditions. Once the government began doing that, though, it seemed to take on a new role. People expected them to pass more and more laws to make their own lives perfect. It seemed as if people started to look on the government as their Mommy or something. That is mainly the problem I have with the democrats (as I said before, I am referring to the liberal ones, which seem to be many) is that they seem to try and reinforce that attitude. I think we should not think too much that way, for it seems most people think they should no longer be responsible for their own lives.
That Supreme Court is a bunch of liberal Republicans, and IMO, they are crazy. I hated their ruling last week, protecting child pornograph in some form. I remember a couple of years ago, they ruled that cable companies did not have to block out pornographic channels that came in fuzzy. Even if parents had network TV, those channels would often come in fuzzy. I know they did on mine. Tell me that is not a coincidence, that out of all the cable channels available, only those would come in by accident. It would be no burden to order the cable companies to block it, because they would have to do is stop whatever it is they are doing to get it to come in, anyway.
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RANT AND RAVE BABY -- oink oink, 19:40:07 05/27/05 Fri
>I did not mean that I necessarily staunchly support
>one party over another. It all depends on who's
>running. When I say liberal, that usually applies to
>democrats, but not always. We could say something one
>party has done to screw up, and then come out with
>something the other party has done equally bad. In
>general, I find myself agreeing with Republican stuff,
>though not always. Also, how you view a certain group
>of politicians depends on your area. In my area,
>under our democratic leadership, I have seen continual
>cuts in healthcare, charity clinics closing down, yet
>property taxes increase outrageously every year. I
>always hear how the city can no longer afford these
>things. However, the city has also spent nearly a
>billion dollar in new stadiums, and somehow managed to
>convince people it was all for the benefit of the
>taxpayers, particularly minorities. All they really
>meant was that it provided temporary contract work. We
>paid for those stadiums, but the owners got hundreds
>of millions for the naming rights of the stadium.
>
>
>As for getting on high horses and judging people, both
>parties do that, but in different ways. Republicans
>pretty much say liberal democrats are immoral, and
>liberals try to make conservatives politicians out to
>be small-minded and old-fashioned.
>
>
>If this was like, the first half of the century, I
>would be more of a democrat. I think they did a lot of
>good things then, like establishing disability,
>Medicaid, desegregation, and safer working conditions.
>Once the government began doing that, though, it
>seemed to take on a new role. People expected them to
>pass more and more laws to make their own lives
>perfect. It seemed as if people started to look on the
>government as their Mommy or something. That is mainly
>the problem I have with the democrats (as I said
>before, I am referring to the liberal ones, which seem
>to be many) is that they seem to try and reinforce
>that attitude. I think we should not think too much
>that way, for it seems most people think they should
>no longer be responsible for their own lives.
>
>
>That Supreme Court is a bunch of liberal Republicans,
>and IMO, they are crazy. I hated their ruling last
>week, protecting child pornograph in some form. I
>remember a couple of years ago, they ruled that cable
>companies did not have to block out pornographic
>channels that came in fuzzy. Even if parents had
>network TV, those channels would often come in fuzzy.
>I know they did on mine. Tell me that is not a
>coincidence, that out of all the cable channels
>available, only those would come in by accident. It
>would be no burden to order the cable companies to
>block it, because they would have to do is stop
>whatever it is they are doing to get it to come in,
>anyway.
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RANT AND RAVE IS THE HOME OF RIGHTWING ZIONIST PIGS -- rasheem, 20:22:30 02/24/06 Fri
>>I did not mean that I necessarily staunchly support
>>one party over another. It all depends on who's
>>running. When I say liberal, that usually applies to
>>democrats, but not always. We could say something one
>>party has done to screw up, and then come out with
>>something the other party has done equally bad. In
>>general, I find myself agreeing with Republican stuff,
>>though not always. Also, how you view a certain group
>>of politicians depends on your area. In my area,
>>under our democratic leadership, I have seen continual
>>cuts in healthcare, charity clinics closing down, yet
>>property taxes increase outrageously every year. I
>>always hear how the city can no longer afford these
>>things. However, the city has also spent nearly a
>>billion dollar in new stadiums, and somehow managed to
>>convince people it was all for the benefit of the
>>taxpayers, particularly minorities. All they really
>>meant was that it provided temporary contract work. We
>>paid for those stadiums, but the owners got hundreds
>>of millions for the naming rights of the stadium.
>>
>>
>>As for getting on high horses and judging people, both
>>parties do that, but in different ways. Republicans
>>pretty much say liberal democrats are immoral, and
>>liberals try to make conservatives politicians out to
>>be small-minded and old-fashioned.
>>
>>
>>If this was like, the first half of the century, I
>>would be more of a democrat. I think they did a lot of
>>good things then, like establishing disability,
>>Medicaid, desegregation, and safer working conditions.
>>Once the government began doing that, though, it
>>seemed to take on a new role. People expected them to
>>pass more and more laws to make their own lives
>>perfect. It seemed as if people started to look on the
>>government as their Mommy or something. That is mainly
>>the problem I have with the democrats (as I said
>>before, I am referring to the liberal ones, which seem
>>to be many) is that they seem to try and reinforce
>>that attitude. I think we should not think too much
>>that way, for it seems most people think they should
>>no longer be responsible for their own lives.
>>
>>
>>That Supreme Court is a bunch of liberal Republicans,
>>and IMO, they are crazy. I hated their ruling last
>>week, protecting child pornograph in some form. I
>>remember a couple of years ago, they ruled that cable
>>companies did not have to block out pornographic
>>channels that came in fuzzy. Even if parents had
>>network TV, those channels would often come in fuzzy.
>>I know they did on mine. Tell me that is not a
>>coincidence, that out of all the cable channels
>>available, only those would come in by accident. It
>>would be no burden to order the cable companies to
>>block it, because they would have to do is stop
>>whatever it is they are doing to get it to come in,
>>anyway.
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Re: To clarify... -- http://www.voy.com/74339/225.html, 17:01:49 06/23/09 Tue
>I did not mean that I necessarily staunchly support
>one party over another. It all depends on who's
>running. When I say liberal, that usually applies to
>democrats, but not always. We could say something one
>party has done to screw up, and then come out with
>something the other party has done equally bad. In
>general, I find myself agreeing with Republican stuff,
>though not always. Also, how you view a certain group
>of politicians depends on your area. In my area,
>under our democratic leadership, I have seen continual
>cuts in healthcare, charity clinics closing down, yet
>property taxes increase outrageously every year. I
>always hear how the city can no longer afford these
>things. However, the city has also spent nearly a
>billion dollar in new stadiums, and somehow managed to
>convince people it was all for the benefit of the
>taxpayers, particularly minorities. All they really
>meant was that it provided temporary contract work. We
>paid for those stadiums, but the owners got hundreds
>of millions for the naming rights of the stadium.
>
>
>As for getting on high horses and judging people, both
>parties do that, but in different ways. Republicans
>pretty much say liberal democrats are immoral, and
>liberals try to make conservatives politicians out to
>be small-minded and old-fashioned.
>
>
>If this was like, the first half of the century, I
>would be more of a democrat. I think they did a lot of
>good things then, like establishing disability,
>Medicaid, desegregation, and safer working conditions.
>Once the government began doing that, though, it
>seemed to take on a new role. People expected them to
>pass more and more laws to make their own lives
>perfect. It seemed as if people started to look on the
>government as their Mommy or something. That is mainly
>the problem I have with the democrats (as I said
>before, I am referring to the liberal ones, which seem
>to be many) is that they seem to try and reinforce
>that attitude. I think we should not think too much
>that way, for it seems most people think they should
>no longer be responsible for their own lives.
>
>
>That Supreme Court is a bunch of liberal Republicans,
>and IMO, they are crazy. I hated their ruling last
>week, protecting child pornograph in some form. I
>remember a couple of years ago, they ruled that cable
>companies did not have to block out pornographic
>channels that came in fuzzy. Even if parents had
>network TV, those channels would often come in fuzzy.
>I know they did on mine. Tell me that is not a
>coincidence, that out of all the cable channels
>available, only those would come in by accident. It
>would be no burden to order the cable companies to
>block it, because they would have to do is stop
>whatever it is they are doing to get it to come in,
>anyway.
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CC, Whenever there are tax cuts, the education budget is cut also. States begin to trim their budgets, and education is the first hit. -- Lafaux, 12:12:37 04/25/02 Thu
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Re: CC, Whenever there are tax cuts, the education budget is cut also. States begin to trim their budgets, and education is the first hit. -- ABI DABI, 08:43:15 03/07/05 Mon
cool I agree
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CC, my favorite Republican spin is the energy policy Ari F. works into his briefing just about every day. The thing is, the oil we drill domestically does not necessarily stay here. It gets sold on the world market. Much of the oil that is drilled in Alaska now gets sold to Japan. Average Joe American will not benefit. I think this administration wants to be the oil czars of the world. There are lots of signs. Take the coup attempt in Venezuela. The U.S. is so obviously involved. I just wish we'd hear more about it on the nightly news. I discovered it waaaay in the back of the newspaper. -- Tf, 11:19:32 04/24/02 Wed
>Here's the addy:
>http:www.villagevoice.com/issues/0125/ridgeway.php#gop
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I usually don't listen to stuuf about oil, so could you tell me about Venezuela? -- CC, 13:08:38 04/24/02 Wed
>>Here's the addy:
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CC, here's two different addys to articles. clk. -- Tf, 16:28:33 04/24/02 Wed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,685718,00.html
http://www.zmag.org/content/LatinAmerica/wilpertcounter.cfm
You'll have to cut and paste the addy as I am a rebel when it comes to learning anything about computers that I don't absolutely have to:)
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I printed out the chimp pics for my son. It's up on his wall. Right next to the pic he cut out of Colin Powell giving Dubya the, 'Gawd, you're such an a$$hole!' look. -- Tf, 10:59:07 04/24/02 Wed
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I'm a boomer and I'll be the first one to say "You gotta be kidding me?" (lying/dorky boomer politicians) I don't know if Bush admitted to using drugs in his youth or not but let me tell you if he did, his drug of choice was glue, I knew a guy that loved to sniff glue and believe me he and George have the same look, facial expressions, mannerisms etc. On a side note, I'll never get over old Bill saying he smoked pot but didn't inhale=oh brother::::eyeroll...like anyone believed that shit!!!! -- Candy, 11:26:23 04/24/02 Wed
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LMAO! -- Tf, 11:58:38 04/24/02 Wed
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Bush admitted to some 'youthful indescretions' until he was about forty. -- Tf, 12:23:34 04/24/02 Wed
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<*snicker*>..... And what might those youthful indescretions be Tf? I know he admits to boozing it up, maybe someone slipped wood grain alcohol into his bottle as a joke? I heard that crap really damages the braincells -- Candy, 12:55:33 04/24/02 Wed
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No woodgrain alcohol, Candy. He's not BLIND just ignorant. -- OTWB, 16:30:03 04/24/02 Wed
I don't give a damn, I'm proud as hell, I didn't vote for that joker!!!!! The economy SUCKS, at least around here it does, and I didn't see that skimpy check everyone got from dubya changing anybody's lives.
As for education, BOTH parties have talked a GREAT game and done VERY little to make it better than it is.
I couldn't care less who anybody blows, or doesn't blow, or who sleeps with chimps or bimbo eruptions... that stuff really has no effect on me. The ECONOMY effects my life, the state of public education effects me, indirectly, it affects us ALL whether you have children or not.
I'm just cynical, I think that they're ALL full of it. The only difference that I can see between the parties is that if I voted Republican, my ancestors would probably haunt me from their Truman Democrat graves, so I vote Democrat. Also I do it in memory of Harry, loved him, still do... too bad, he can't haunt the White House. What would he say about dubya? I'd pay money to hear him and Churchill attempt a conversation with him.
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Spew!! Can you just picture the look on Churchill's face? I can...ROTFLMBFAO -- Candy, 17:41:39 04/24/02 Wed
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Candy, clk -- Tf, 16:57:21 04/24/02 Wed
He was asked about using coke in 1999. He answered by saying something about not committing any felonies for the past 25 years.......LOL. So what happened before then is anyone's guess:) I think he's been arrested three times.
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OMG Tf, you're joking?? Our president has been in jail? To freaking funny!!! -- Candy, 17:30:04 04/24/02 Wed
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I think Pops bailed Otis out:) It's all so hush hush. -- Tf, 18:00:22 04/24/02 Wed
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LOL my son came in and he knew about it it was for DUI and apparently he also ditched his Air National Guard meetings had someone sign him in as being there...what a freaking bonehead!! -- Candy, 18:07:14 04/24/02 Wed
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OOoooh. So maybe it's more than three. I put the three I heard about below. -- Tf, 18:10:54 04/24/02 Wed
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Candy, clk again for arrest reasons -- Tf, 18:08:58 04/24/02 Wed
He was arrested for pulling a fraternity prank. Something about stealing a Christmas wreath.
He was arrested for drunken driving.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct at a football game.
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Sounds like my kind of person, fun to party with (unless you got caught with him wearing the wreath on his head..LOL) but not exactly presidential material -- Candy, 18:32:15 04/24/02 Wed
>He was arrested for pulling a fraternity prank.
>Something about stealing a Christmas wreath.
>He was arrested for drunken driving.
>He was arrested for disorderly conduct at a football
>game.
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Old George was a party animal, no doubt.....but when Bill went so far around the block to say he didn't violate any American laws (he smoked the wacky weed in England where it is also illegal), sigh that just made me think Hmmmmm, what's he trying to hide? I mean if someone in his age bracket HADN'T at least tried pot, I'd be worried, lol! And then that whole "I didn't inhale" bullshit....why not? What a waste, Dumb-ass! -- ladyday, 21:05:03 04/24/02 Wed
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LOL. I agree. I just don't like when Republicans try to take the moral high-ground.clk -- Tf, 10:45:55 04/25/02 Thu
Clinton's a liar, yep, and I still can't believe he didn't just look at a picture of some skank's fat butt while sharpening a pencil with one hand and pleasuring himself with the other if he needed some stress release. I was so disappointed in him. But the way the Republican's still dog him is why I like talking about Dubya's dumbass moments. How dare him run on 'accountibility'. I also wonder if Al Gore really didn't smoke pot because he said he did;)
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You got that right Tf...I was a life long republican until Ken Starr<~~I still think he whacked off writing that report) and the rest of the hoard that dogged Clinton came along. The entire fiasco turned me off to politics PERIOD and then we got DUH Dubya :::::eyeroll:::and the rest is history...how's about I just don't care anymore they're all a bunch of lying (Clinton) sanctimonious (the majority of Reps) rat finks if you ask me!!! I don't trust any of 'em to do right by anyone other than themselves. -- Candy, 11:24:44 04/25/02 Thu
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