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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, now, I wasn't talking about Todd doing himself. But, I do have a question for you. If RH/Todd is all that, why have you stopped watching him be all that he can be? -- Lafaux, 06:24:02 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> (sheepish) Actually, I relented, couldn't stand the thought of having Todd on tape and not watching them... YES, I'm pathetic... I need a 12 step plan, no doubt. I'm glad I watched Friday. Will I watch Monday? Probably, but I reserve my right to take another two week break at any given moment. I usually tape, then make the call depending on my crap threshold. -- OTWB, 11:47:30 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Uh huh! -- Lafaux, 12:25:06 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Are you making fun of the OTWB, Lafaux? -- Tee-fan, 05:04:19 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah, she is and I'm WOUNDED... sniff, sniff.... I'd whine but.... -- OTWB, 06:50:27 06/16/02 Sun

I'm too much of a BITCH to bother and well... it's not quite that hard to keep my sense of humor about it. This isn't the most comfortable place to be um... "Todd centric? and God knows, I wasn't always that, but well.. it's just how it is. I think I do have a special understanding of the other side of things, so I'll take it in the spirit in which it's given and drive on. There is certainly never going to be a chance at me breaking into the, "Blair's so mean to Todd," whine, that some do, so whatever... I don't really mind folks being mean to Todd, and if he's mean back, well... why wouldn't he be?

Lafaux, don't be mean to me, (snivel, snivel, snot, snot) I'm a Todd fan, Todd only, only Todd... He can pick his ASS and I'll watch, he's honoroable, he's noble... Not really, but.. truth be told, I would watch Todd pick his ass and NOT turn OLTL the hell OFF, as quickly as I would at the thought of watching Blair be hootchy mama for another three or four years. Call me weak, whatever, but no, I can't take it. So if that makes me a viewer who only watches for Todd, then so the hell be it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL! Glad you're not whining because we don't go for that shit here. As for the Todd thing, I'm just trying to get a handle on your stance. You would watch him pick his ass, but the issue for you is Blair being a hoochie mama? Is there a correlation here? -- Lafaux, 07:40:10 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> BTW - OTWB, I know that you are not going to allow a TWIT to influence our discussion/debate. -- Lafaux, 08:18:01 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't know, she's pretty damned lame, even for a twit, but well, the discussion is interesting. So take the good stuff, throw away the BS and drive on, I always say. -- OTWB, 08:34:27 06/16/02 Sun

>Forgive me for I have sinned against all that's
>Todder, all that's Malone... I LIKE the GOOF, much
>MORE than I liked "Suicide, hostage taking, Todd".
>It's true. I can laugh, I can giggle, I can be pissed
>at him... I can even throw a shoe at him, but NOPE, I
>don't feel like I'm kicking some harmless, sniveling,
>misunderstood WIDDLE boy, this time around. If Todd
>Manning wants to be a punk, then fine.. he's owning it
>and at least he's not wearing paper towel rolls and
>acting like some paranoid on CRACK. I expect that's
>all gonna change with this Dingo Island CRAP, but
>well.. like I always say, "thank God, he's doing it to
>the troll." In that regard, I'll watch and I might
>not even mind. Nothing to be done about it anyway,
>and he's leaving, whether I think he's coming back
>really doesn't matter at this point anyway.
>
>As far as Blair goes? Blair is going nowhere, she is
>right there in Llanview. I LOATHED B&Misery to the
>point that I DID turn it off, and you of all people,
>Lafaux, KNOW that's true. Sam and Blair got a warm
>spot in my heart for about... thirty SECONDS, then it
>started to make me SO sick, that in my darkest moment
>(this is very dark) I was starting to think that maybe
>MAX was the better choice.... (shiver) The SAD thing
>about the last few years for Blair is that MAX (UGH),
>SAM (UGH), or Todd (love it, damn me, just makes me
>sad now) have been her ONLY alternatives.
>
>Sick of hootchy Blair, sick of ineffectual Blair, sick
>of watching her be degraded to prop more morons that
>insult my intelligence to the point where TURNING IT
>THE HELL OFF is the only option, if I choose to watch
>it after or during my lunch. I don't take Todd quite
>as seriously, maybe, I don't know, but it hurts my
>heart to watch Hootchy Blair WAY TOO much to watch the
>rest of it.
>
>BTW, I ADORED Blair on Friday, she made my Blair heart
>soar! Where's a high window when ya need one?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That's it.... (elaboration, you knew I would!) -- OTWB, 08:30:58 06/16/02 Sun

Forgive me for I have sinned against all that's Todder, all that's Malone... I LIKE the GOOF, much MORE than I liked "Suicide, hostage taking, Todd". It's true. I can laugh, I can giggle, I can be pissed at him... I can even throw a shoe at him, but NOPE, I don't feel like I'm kicking some harmless, sniveling, misunderstood WIDDLE boy, this time around. If Todd Manning wants to be a punk, then fine.. he's owning it and at least he's not wearing paper towel rolls and acting like some paranoid on CRACK. I expect that's all gonna change with this Dingo Island CRAP, but well.. like I always say, "thank God, he's doing it to the troll." In that regard, I'll watch and I might not even mind. Nothing to be done about it anyway, and he's leaving, whether I think he's coming back really doesn't matter at this point anyway.

As far as Blair goes? Blair is going nowhere, she is right there in Llanview. I LOATHED B&Misery to the point that I DID turn it off, and you of all people, Lafaux, KNOW that's true. Sam and Blair got a warm spot in my heart for about... thirty SECONDS, then it started to make me SO sick, that in my darkest moment (this is very dark) I was starting to think that maybe MAX was the better choice.... (shiver) The SAD thing about the last few years for Blair is that MAX (UGH), SAM (UGH), or Todd (love it, damn me, just makes me sad now) have been her ONLY alternatives.

Sick of hootchy Blair, sick of ineffectual Blair, sick of watching her be degraded to prop more morons that insult my intelligence to the point where TURNING IT THE HELL OFF is the only option, if I choose to watch it after or during my lunch. I don't take Todd quite as seriously, maybe, I don't know, but it hurts my heart to watch Hootchy Blair WAY TOO much to watch the rest of it.

BTW, I ADORED Blair on Friday, she made my Blair heart soar! Where's a high window when ya need one?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> (elaboration, you knew I would!) DAMN RIGHT I DID! -- Lafaux, 08:51:51 06/16/02 Sun

You, not elaborate? Come on! As far as I know, hell hasn't frozen over yet.

Okay! I get that you like goofy Todd. I have no problem with that. I guess that's the point of this debate. You like him; I abhor the goof. I don't like him because it is so very anit-Toddian. The other reason I don't like him is that my girl, deserves a MAN! She deserves a man who is not afraid to touch her, a man who can comfort her, and a man who can have compassion for her. Goofy is not that man. He's just a goofy boy.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I'm not sure that I disagree with you, Lafaux! I don't think that the writing of Blair SHOULD be always within regard to where Todd is or where he's not. They are two separate issues to me, which is MY point. -- OTWB, 10:04:13 06/16/02 Sun

>You, not elaborate? Come on! As far as I know, hell
>hasn't frozen over yet.
>
>Okay! I get that you like goofy Todd. I have no
>problem with that. I guess that's the point of this
>debate. You like him; I abhor the goof. I don't like
>him because it is so very anit-Toddian. The other
>reason I don't like him is that my girl, deserves a
>MAN! She deserves a man who is not afraid to touch
>her, a man who can comfort her, and a man who can have
>compassion for her. Goofy is not that man. He's just a
>goofy boy.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Okay! So, now we get to your point. (I think!) -- Lafaux, 10:17:52 06/16/02 Sun



You like goofy Todd. (Got that!)

You don't like hoochie mama Blair. (Got that!)

You can watch goofy Todd, and you will stop watching the show when he leaves. (Got that!)

But what I don't get is where you kinda (blur) Blair's story into your decision to stop watching the show. From what I understand, when you heard that Roger was leaving the show, you made up your mind to stop watching OLTL.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well.... Call it a lack of faith, Lafaux.... -- OTWB, 11:23:37 06/16/02 Sun

I hate how they use Blair, Todd and Blair keep me watching, Blair on her own... MOST definitely, but only if she gets a good story. The only reason I'm sticking around for this incarnation of TRIPE, is because I think it might be fun to watch Todd torture the troll. If he stops torturing her and it turns into Mama Sneerest and her misunderstood widdle boy, I might not even last that long, so far, it remains to be seen. You know what the best part of Tripe this time around is? It's blessedly SHORT. BTW, Todd picking his ass is also MUCH preferable to Mama Sneerest's good widdle boy!

Anyway, I'll watch for a while, check out the direction, if I'm cringing then I'm going to turn it off. Kassie is a great actress, I love Blair a LOT, but damned if I bring myself to sit through another three or four years, HOPING like hell for a good Blair story this time around, because I'm basically apathetic about the rest of it anyway. It's just not worth it to me. Damn shame, that I've become that one note, but I am, and I own it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> IC! I think! Either you're not going to leave the show if Blair is written well or you're leaving when Todd leaves because staying around to watch a poorly written Blair isn't worth it. -- Lafaux, 15:12:33 06/16/02 Sun

But OTOH, if RH stays, and picks his ass, and Blair is poorly written, you will stick around.

I'm going to stop! This has been fun!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Beats the hell out of NO Todd picking his ass and a poorly written Blair. It seems that these days a poorly written Blair is pretty much a GIVEN, sad but true. -- OTWB, 15:20:27 06/16/02 Sun

>But OTOH, if RH stays, and picks his ass, and Blair is
>poorly written, you will stick around.
>
>I'm going to stop! This has been fun!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I go back to my original premise. If Roger leaves, "Bye-bye!" "So long!" "See ya!" The show will go on without him, and I won't miss him as much as I did when he left in '95 or even when he left in '98 because this Todd was a bust. -- Lafaux, 15:28:34 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Per Goof, Lafaux.... -- OTWB, 10:57:20 06/16/02 Sun

Not the biggest goof fan on the planet, just one who thinks that's who Todd became during tripe, and I've yet to see any reason for him to change. TPTB have given him no consequences or any reasons to change it, Goof has been damned effective, you gotta admit. Up until he got busted, by Blair, Goof was doing his job. Yeah, it sucked that they had to turn Blair into a wimpy ass Donna Reed type... (I do have some BIG problems with THAT, incidentally) but in regards to the fictional reality of Todd, he's done a decent job of keeping Todd out of jail, on the loose and his family close to him, or somewhat close to him. Seems to me that Todd is quite good at settling for half ass. I'm not, but well... that really doesn't change Todd's POV whether I like it or not.

Booby Boy/Goof has been around a LOT of years, he's not just a Gary thing, after all, so NO, I don't blame Gary for da Goof. Do I blame Roger? NOPE, I blame the writers for not creative way OUT of it. Maybe this Dingo Island thing is it, I'm willing to bear it, if it is. Regardless of agenda, good storytelling is good storytelling. I've been saying it for a lot of years.... I will say that it is a DAMNED SHAME that at ABC Daytime who are too POLITICALLY CORRECT and UNIMAGINATIVE to write a viable villain who has more than ONE NOTE, if he's bad, then he must be humiliated and dragged to the lowest possible point and left there to ROT. If he's good, turn him into Superman and ram him up EVERYONE'S ass, then wristslap the folks who don't see the point. As if I am so stupid, that I have to be beaten over the head with a fricking stick?

It's insulting, plain and simple. I find Goof/Booby Boy less insulting this time around, because... I have seen enough of REAL Todd to know he exists. Oddly enough, I've always found that at the end of Todd's stories, I usually can look at the big picture and make some sense out of it, at least in my own mind. Call it spin, call it rationalization... whatever. If I don't get something that makes sense at the end, then I'll be proud to say so, feel used, angry and BITCH my fool head off, but well... until then, I'm waiting it out.

If they give me a nice Blair story, I'll stick around AFTER I bitch my fool head off, if they don't, well I'm out of there, cuz I'm not into SHIT for NOUGHT.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> A goof is a goof. A once profound character who becomes a goof is an even bigger GOOF. -- Lafaux, 15:32:36 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> A character with a rich history, two children, portrayed by an VERY talented actress, but only used as a hootchy sex kitten is a waste of time. But still, I've watched it for a lot of years, in spite of it IN HOPE, that it would change... it's finally not worth it to me. So call me a bad Blair fan, or disloyal... I've had enough, it disgusts me, and I'll either find OTHER reasons to watch and FF'd through that crap, or I'll just turn it off. -- OTWB, 20:02:08 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> OTWB, I'm just trying to find out ONE thing. Are you doing as you said you were when you found out that Roger was leaving the show. Are you leaving also? I'm not calling you a good Blair fan or a bad one, don't care if you are even a Blair fan at all. -- Lafaux, 20:11:04 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Most likely, TMFIC have yet to show me a reason to stick around. -- OTWB, 13:29:03 06/17/02 Mon


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