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Date Posted: 23:46:16 09/12/03 Fri
Author: pony
Subject: Re: new album
In reply to: jellico cat 's message, "new album" on 14:44:40 08/06/03 Wed

well, i have to say two things here. first of all, a forum is a place to DISCUSS, and if you can't present both sides of an argument, than what's the point. I was a HUGE Liz Phair fan for a really long time, and don't mind one bit that Jellico is pissed off about her. Second of all, the new album does bite. Don't think she doesn't know EXACTLY what she's doing here though, she's hit VH1, she'll make more money, and hey "it's nice to have friends but it's better by far to get paid" or however it went. The only songs of any use on that album are firewalker and the one near the end that are both on bootlegs (rarities) and she's totally ruined them by overproducing them this time round. Ah well. Anyway my point is, the new album sucks, but I totally understand why she did it.

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[> [> Re: new album -- chief jay, 04:14:10 09/13/03 Sat

Any artist who has risen to the top ranks of the indie world is bound to hook up with a major company and make what lo-fi fans consider an overproduced album. I actually enjoy seeing Liz Phair on VH1 and hearing her hit in rotation on the radio. With all of this going on , new fans may want to investigate her older stuff. If any artist deserves a good career break then Liz certainly deserves it. Long time fans who don't like her new record have a right to their opinion, but I for one like it. I figure that there is nothing wrong with making a good album if the technology is there. There is a good chance that things may turn sour later on, that's the chance one takes, but for now her stuff is still good.....


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[> [> Re: new album -- harold23, 18:35:27 09/16/03 Tue

Everybody keeps saying, "plus, she's hot." This disturbs me. That's not supposed to be such a solid part of her appeal. Not seriously, anyway. She's always been hot, but her image was like you'd have to be an idiot to think that she'd care what you think. I mean, I used to think of Liz as a woman who easily outsmarted men because they were so busy drooling all over her that they didn't even notice she was laughing at them. But I can't hear her laughing anymore. None of the lyrics in this new album give me that impression, the way her older songs did. She seems embarrassingly obsessed with sex-- this time, she's the one who's embarrassing about it, not the guys. Hot White Come? It's kind of funny, but just ultimately dumb. Read the New York Times review of the album, it's pretty much my opinion exactly. So sad. Nobody is a bigger fan than I am. I'm not giving up on her, just feeling a little let down.


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