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Date Posted: 22:39:20 11/24/01 Sat
Author: Lois
Subject: Re: The Truth About the COC
In reply to: Joanne 's message, "The Truth About the COC" on 21:35:05 11/24/01 Sat

>Read the following and see if
>the framework was not laid in
>1967-68.

>

Position Papers:
>

Since our proposed approach in the curriculum is
>not subject-oriented,
>we shall in all likelihood be saved from having to
>tackle
some of
>the extremely thorny; issues of the Book's
>historicity
in our curriculum
>materials themselves.
>

Nevertheless, when the Book as a phenomenon is
>treated, we propose
>that it shall be done in the context of that
>segment of Restoration
>history out of which it emerged
, without a
>dogmatic emphasis on
>it as a depository of facts about Ancient American
>history or culture
.

>It would thus appear to be prudent to avoid any
>specific dogmatic pronouncements
>as to the ultimate nature and origin of the Book, in
>light of the present
>scantiness of data
by which our opinions may be
>inferred. Dogmatically
>affirming its actual historicity, or asserting that it
>is definitely to
>be understood in other than historical
>categories-either of these alternatives
>would deny our stance of "strategic caution" which now
>seems to be most
>wise in the face of our insight into the complexities
>of the issues involved.

>

In many instances this stance will manifest itself
>in terms of a discreet
>silence
in areas where hitherto Book of Mormon
>teachings have been
>invoked. However, since in
>the Book there can
>be found various passages that may serve to illustrate
>or illuminate a
>persistent life need of the students, such passages
>may very well be utilized
>in the development of a lesson for any age level. Thus
>each instance of
>potential use of Book of Mormon material must be
>judged in light of all
>the various factors surrounding the individual set of
>circumstances in
>which its use might appear to be helpful and
>appropriate.

>

From The Short Book of Mormon
>introduction:

>

In this work, we are not primarily concerned
>with the origin of
>the Book of Mormon, from Whence it came
, nor the
>manner in which it
>was brought forth.

>
 
>
 
>

Kathy Widner asked this question on the Friday
>night "chat", April 7th
>, 2000:
>

  Do you believe the Book of
>Mormon to be the
>actual historic record of the early inhabitants of
>this continent, delivered
>through divine means?
>
 
>

To which Grant McMurray said :
>

   Kathy, I do not
>want to beg your question
>at all, but it is an extremely complex one that is
>difficult to respond
>to in this format.  I believe the Book of Mormon
>to be scripture. 
>All scripture has a historical rootedness
>that need
>to be understood
, whether it is the Bible or
>the BofM or the D&C.

>
  But I cannot
>declare unequivocally
>that the BofM is an "actual historical
>record
.
..."in the way you
>describe.  There are diverse pieces of
>evidence about that and
>I would be less than honest if I did not acknowledge
>it.

>


>Our task is not to spend an abundance of 
>our time trying to PROVE the historicity of the Book
>of Mormon.

>Our task is to use it as a second witness of Jesus
>Christ, to the extent it may speak to us in our
>individual ministry, and then to be ABOUT THE TASK of
>being the disciples described
>therein.

>

There are many places
>where the writers of
>the present "Restoration Studies 1-8 have stated much
>the same thoughts. 
>However, we are told that we should not believe what
>they say; we should
>instead believe that they actually say things that
>they do not believe
>or state.
>color="#000099">
>

If  these same men
>were put on the stand
>in a court of law, they would have to tell the truth,
>or be guilty of perjury.
>color="#000099">
>

Joanne
>
 
>


Joanne,

It is a wonder that the tongues of the CoC leaders are not about six feet long. They get them so twisted up and trip on them so often. Grant McMurray's must be especially sore.

Lois 

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