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Date Posted: 15:16:22 06/13/99 Sun
Author: daniel
Subject: Re: Time CHECK
In reply to: David C. Wise 's message, "Re: Time CHECK" on 14:40:38 06/12/99 Sat

Here is one article I found on AIG.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/382.htm">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/382.htm</a>
RadioCarbon Dating in Conflict

> Your umbrage at being asked this simple direct
> question is most puzzling. Your support and
> allegience to YEC is well known and I would be
> surprised to see you deny it, no matter how many times
> the cock crows. Why should you be so reluctant to
> state whether and why you would think that a
> particular claim supports YEC?
>

Again I believe YEC NOT because of science. Even if it substantiates the position.

You are far more knowledgeable about this topic and are clearly laying up a straw man, becasuse if you really cared to help us understand this position and you were to open pandora's box for us, you would most certainly be able to provide reams of paper to support the problamatic issues faced by those that attempt to date objects using any type of dating technique. in this case radiometric dating.

Perhaps I should ask the simple question(s)

Are there any assumptions one must make to date an object based on the decay of isotopes?
Are there any known problems that daters need to be concerned about when estimating the age of any object?

If you answer back:
There are no assumptions
and
There are no problems
then you are a liar and there is no truth in you.


> > Please provide a list of these "creationists" so that
> > I can learn from them.
> >
> What? Now you're doubting that "there are a number of
> serious creationists who are making honest attempts to
> find actual scientific evidence supporting YEC"?
>

Assumtive process ticking quite fervently....tick....tick

To be honest, I have spent very little time studying this subject. If you have information that I do not, then the request is simple.

As I can see below, you have fulfilled my request. Thank you. Am I too assume that none of the following in your opinion is actually worthy or beneficial to my studies? I assume that there are many issues that are not easily decifered.

Thanks again.

> You could start with Dr. Kurt Wise (no relation, I'm
> sure -- several different Germanic surnames have been
> anglicized to "Wise"). His degrees are BA Geology
> from University of Chicago, MA Geology from Harvard,
> PhD Invertebrate Paleontology from Harvard (studied
> under S.J. Gould). He is Associate Professor of
> Science at Bryan College in Dayton, TN, and Director
> of Origins Research. His bio page is at <A
rel=nofollow target=_blank > HREF="http://www.bryan.edu/faculty/data/WiseK.htm">http
> ://www.bryan.edu/faculty/data/WiseK.htm</A>. Even
> though he is a YECist, he has not been shy about
> taking other YECists to task for committing factual
> errors. Nor has he been afraid of scientific evidence
> contrary to a young-earth; at an earlier International
> Conference on Creationism (ICC), he presented a paper
> showing that the amount of time required for granite
> plutons to cool far exceeds the 10,000-year time-frame
> required by YEC. In the closing presentation at the
> 1998 International Conference on Creationism, he
> reviewed the state of the creation model in various
> fields:
>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> "Astonomy? No creation model exists. Biology? Same.
> Paleontology (his own field)? Same. He thinks a
> couple of other fields, such as teh development of a
> Flood model, are making slow progress.
>
> "Despite this seemingly gloomy summary, Wise sent
> people away fired up. His message was that
> creationists have an enormous amount of work to do,
> and it is time for them to get cracking." ("The 1998
> International Conference on Creationism" by Robert
> Schadewald, NCSE Reports, Vol 18 No 3, May/June 1998,
> pp 24-25).
> </BLOCKQUOTE>

Great thank you for the push.

>
> > In the end Dave, I believe that your intellectualism
> > will be your one downfall. I assume that you are
> > someone who actually accepts absolute truth.
> >
> > Do you believe that all truth is relative? Do you
> > believe that absolutely?
> >
> > If you are a truth seeker, and honestly desire
> truth...
> >
> > Then you ought to seek truth from those that not only
> > claim to "know" the truth, to have "heard" the truth,
> > but most importantly you ought to seek out the one
> > that claimed, not to know it ot to have heard it, but
> > to actually be it.
> >
> > Has anyome ever claimed to BE the truth?
> >
> > If so, then one who cares to know the truth and
> > literally claims to be a seeker of truth, should
> prove
> > the authenticity of their beliefs by confronting the
> > one that claimed to BE truth.
> >
> > If the one that makes such an extraordinary claim can
> > be proved a fool, then the foolishness can be
> > forgotten, but if truth is absolute then you will
> find
> > HIM. Prove you are a seeker of truth. Ask...,
> > Knock...., Seek....
> >
> Daniel, a religion that has to rely so heavily on
> false claims, as you and other proselytizers
> demonstrate Christianity to rely on creation science,
> shows that it is a stranger to truth.

I will avoid scientific claims of any kind and focus on truth.

I love your truth avoidance capability. Very nicely done.

My only claim is that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that he desires that you repent of your wickedness, worship him, know forgiveness and know that you have eternal life through him.

You are afraid of the reality that you are unforgiven, and you are afraid to defend your belief that God does not exist.

Please provide evidence to support your truth claim.

You can't handle the truth as it relates to eternity. You foolishly claim expertize in the temporal and are not enough of a strategist to realize the importance of not neglecting the security of your own soul.

It is simple...

If you claim to desire scientific truth, how do you differentiate what "truth" is actually important? Surely you are not an expert at bio-nutrition, but I assume you eat on a regular basis. So you are not an expert in Christianity and could not tell me what the "Mystery of the Gospel of the Gentiles" is. But that does not negate the unique claims made by a historical, literal figure named Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus claimed "I am the truth..." Do you KNOW if this statement is true? By what method would we determine the authenticity of this claim? Why is the claim important to every individual that has ever lived? If not, why not?

Your avoidance of this topic is dangerous.

Please substantiate why Jesus' claim of divinity and claims of obeyance do not apply to you. What knowledge do you have to deny that Jesus is the Messiah? What information do you have to prove that God doesn't exist? What evidence do you have that provides sufficient proof that accountability to a higher power is not necessary for you?

Jesus claimed "I am the truth..." Do you KNOW if this statement is true? By what method would we determine the authenticity of this claim?

Do you believe that all truth is subjective? Do you believe that absolutely?


Daniel
"It is my choice, but it is not my fault"

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