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Date Posted: 05:07:45 06/15/99 Tue
Author: daniel
Subject: Re: Time CHECK
In reply to: Kevin 's message, "Re: Time CHECK" on 18:31:30 06/14/99 Mon

I really don't want to pass on your questions, so I will make another effort.

> Ever ask yourself where the pitch came from the ark
> was coated with? Ever ask yourself why olives were
> growing on top of Mt. Ararat? (They don't grow in
> higher elevations by the way) Ever ask yourself how
> all those animals fit in the ark? (limiting the
> animals to cat kind etc. allows for far more evolution
> than even naturalists demand) Ever ask yourself how
> all the animals got to Noah in the first place? (polar
> bears, kangaroos, penguins, South American sloth, etc.
> etc.) Ever ask yourself if it is physically possible
> to build a wooden boat that big, that is still sea
> worthy? (The biggest known was 300+ feet and it
> leaked like a seive.) (Of course the biggest known
> present day boat was not engineered by God.) These
> things would have had to be miracles that the Bible
> doesn't really claim. The violence of the young earth
> flood model would have been so great as to destroy the
> ark - in the process beating the inhabitants to death.

We cannot even figure out how the pyramids were built. We have hundreds of Egyptian writings and the Pyramids and we are unable to decifer it today even with modern technology. So your laundry list above is quite unimpressive.

We cannot figure out how the romans domed the colousium, or if the shroud is authentic and again you ask me to be concerned about how animals got to the ark....Especially when the bible said it happened. You have got to be kidding. The bible said Lazarus rose from the dead. Are you investigating the natural sciences to prove that resurrections can occur? You are not.

The bible teaches the miraculous story of the "Global Flood" and you say natural science can't prove it....

I am so impressed. Remember the term "CONSISTENT HERMENEUTIC".


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Take a look.

>
> This is just my short list. The point is YEC can't
> fully explain their own view adequately.
>
> Genesis 6 begins with some very highly debated
> scriptures concerning daughters of men and sons of God
> procreating. God reduces mankinds years because of
> this union. Could it be that the real target of the
> flood was the Nephilim (halfbreeds)? The destruction
> was all mankind that was poisoned by this apparent
> evil which resulted in tyrants (men of reknown) who
> delighted in evil. The purpose might have been to
> protect the line through which the Messiah would come.
> The Nephilim were probably not giants as KJV
> translates it. If they were literally giants then
> verse 6:4 needs some further explanation. How could
> they be in the land after the flood as well, unless
> some survived. If they were giants then this would
> seem to indicate the sons of God were angels - which I
> doubt, because it opens up a whole new bunch of
> questions. If the purpose was to protect the covenent
> God made with Adam to crush the serpent's head (the
> promise of the Savior) then it would be only necessary
> that the near east would have been destroyed.
>

Nice effort but you avoid the direct evidence of scripture, almost like the plague.


Gen 6:1-18
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

"in those days, and also afterward" - You interpret that as meaning after the flood???? So you again neglect the point of my redirect question "What was the purpose of the flood?" Maybe you ought to read verses 13 and 17.

Verse 4 above is speaking about the period of time regarding the issue of the sons of God and the declaration about the "days" shall be 120 years. afterward is after the declaration. Why do you make such an effort to bend and twist the sciptures?

5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 "Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch.
15 "And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.
16 "You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
17 "And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.
18 "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark-- you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you.
(NKJ)


Now let me ask you "again".

Please provide a consistent hermeneutic to interpret the scriptures using OEC.

What a contradiction....

You have a belief about God and natural science, then you force your interpretation onto the word. That is so convenient.

You should read the word and let it tell you what to believe about God and his creation.

Daniel

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