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Date Posted: 19:50:30 05/17/99 Mon
Author: Daniel
Subject: Re: Genesis 1:1-5
In reply to: Kevin 's message, "Genesis 1:1-5" on 15:22:45 05/17/99 Mon

Kevin here, I am reposting this with Daniel's permission.

> First, the hermeneutics definition I stated in my last post came not from me
> but from my computer encyclopedia.  It was not intended to belittle the
> tool, rather to aid me in my understanding - just thought someone else might
> benefit as well.
>
> Second, Daniel mentioned Martyr and Irenaeus.  Are you not aware they did
> support a creation date older than 4004 BC?  They (among many others) used
> Psalm 90:4 to interpret each of the days of creation as 1000 years long.
> They arrived at this conclusion based on Scripture alone.
>

Although I could find no reference for the above proposition, I do have a few quotes from Irenaeus and Martyr to show what they understood of the issue related to a "day" and a "thousand years":

Irenaeus Against Heresies
Chapter 23
The Devil Is Well Practiced In Falsehood,By Which Adam Having Been Led Astray, Sinned On The Sixth Day Of The Creation, In Which Day Also He Has Been Renewed By Christ

For God said, "In that day on which ye shall eat of it, ye shall die by death." The Lord, therefore, recapitulating in Himself this day, underwent His sufferings upon the day preceding the Sabbath, that is, the sixth day of the creation, on which day man was created; thus granting him a second creation by means of His passion, which is that [creation] out of death. And there are some, again, who relegate the death of Adam to the thousandth year; for since "a day of the Lord is as a thousand years," he did not
overstep the thousand years, but died within them, thus bearing out the sentence of his sin.

Justin also said in Dialogue Of Justin,Philosopher And Martyr,With Trypho, A Jew

For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and,in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, 'They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.'

Irenaeus Against Heresies
Chapter 28
The Distinction To Be Made Between The Righteous And The Wicked. The Future Apostasy In The Time Of Anti-Christ, And The End Of The World

For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a
conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works." This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

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