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Subject: Gen 47 vss 14-26 Post 213


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 13:07:30 08/18/12 Sat

Genesis 47:14-26 And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh's house. 15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth. 16 And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail. 17 And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year. 18 When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands: 19 Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate. 20 And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh's. 21 And as for the people, he removed them to cities from one end of the borders of Egypt even to the other end thereof. 22 Only the land of the priests bought he not; for the priests had a portion assigned them of Pharaoh, and did eat their portion which Pharaoh gave them: wherefore they sold not their lands. 23 Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. 24 And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones. 25 And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants. 26 And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt unto this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part; except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh's.

Looking at the passages we have been studying concerning Israel being brought into Egypt for their time smelting in the "iron furnace" we see also something else that transpires. God not only will allow His people to go into bondage and servitude but the Egyptian people went into servitude before Israel did.

Keeping in mind this time spent in Egypt and what subsequently happens in their deliverance are all prophetic of conditions of the last days before Israel's final deliverance. I am not gong to try to bog us down with details but I would like for us to get a general picture of what transpires here. First, the fact that the Egyptians had money, houses, land and freedom, shows that the famine set the conditions for the deliverance of all wealth to be put into the hands of Pharaoh and a few of his selected government officials.

First they used all their money for food. When their money was gone they sold all their cattle. When their livestock and means of living were gone they sold their lands and themselves to the will of Pharaoh. All the wealth and people were now completely in the hands of Pharaoh. The author of this was Joseph. Joseph was second in command and took care of all details. The plan was not Pharaoh's but he was pleased indeed with the decisions that Joseph made because they greatly magnified his wealth and power. All power and wealth was concentrated in the hands of one man.

Gone was the ability to make individual decisions concerning where to live, what to plant and how much herds of cattle you could have. Everything now was in the hands of "Central Planning".

Some may say; "Well, they still could plant and reap and raise cattle." True but now it was under the hand of the government and they had to live according to the dictates of the government with all they did. Not only that but 20% of all their increase went back to the government to further increase Pharaoh. Think of what we are seeing with Egypt (a type of the world system) and what is going on in the world today the world in general gravitates more and more to the socialist system and communism where the government dictates and controls almost all details of a persons life. Look at the struggle that is going on in America today as we see a people in power who want to take over the daily lives and planning of all the people. Look how the money is going more and more into the hands of the government to be distributed at it's discretion.

You might say: "Well, we still have private property, freedom of religion, the first amendment rights of freedom of speech and press along with the means to defend these rights though the 2nd amendment. .To this I answer: "WAKE UP"! Look around and take notice at what has happened and what is happening. You say you own your own property and have a deed to prove it. To this I say quit paying your taxes and see what happens to that land you think you own. You may be allowed to stay there as long as you pay your rent (i.e. taxes) but you stop paying and see if it isn't put into the hands of another. Land ownership was destroyed by the introduction of property taxes. Freedom of speech is being slowly squeezed to death by "political correctness" and "hate speech" movements designed to stop opposition to the power play that we are witnessing today.

As it was in the day of Egypt so will it be in the day of the anti-Christ. Power will be delivered into his hands under his ministers until "--no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. " (Rev. 13:17) Joseph, in his actions and decisions becomes a type of the "false prophet" (Rev. 16:13) who is the one actually visibly controlling all the people of Revelation 13 and forcing the mark on people. Pharaoh becomes the type of the anti-Christ and Joseph becomes a type of the false prophet in the narrative we are studying. Does this mean that Joseph was doing evil. Not at all. It only shows through his actions as God is moving and directing him how the stage is being set up for the anti-Christ and false prophet of the days just ahead of us. Joseph was no more evil than Peter was when Jesus said to him: "Get thee behind me, Satan:" in Matthew 16:23.

We see then through all this how that God has intertwined throughout the Old Testament history the hidden prophecies of the future. It is only looking back through time that we can see the conditions that will be in the future because God has placed them in His word that the Spirit might take and use the events to open the eyes of His people in the last days. Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

There will be come who will say it will never happen. I will tell you that not only will it happen but when the deed is completed there will be a multitude that will look on the anti-Christ and false prophet as saviours. Look at verse 25; "And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants."

This same type crowd is today looking to the government to sustain them even when there is no drought nor famine. They wlll kiss the feet of the those who govern by the welfare system!

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[> Subject: Makes One Think


Author:
Caren
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Date Posted: 19:52:19 08/19/12 Sun

Yes Hillbilly I can see exactly what you are saying. I do not have children or grandchildren but my sisters and brother do and it is disconcerting to think about them living under the kind of government you describe.
[> [> Subject: The real question is


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 08:13:44 08/20/12 Mon

how much of this will the Church go through before Jesus calls us to be with Him. We know it is coming and we know some of the details of the kingdom of the anti-Christ but we don't know how soon before the "beast's" kingdom is complete the trumpet will sound and we will be caught away. (1 Ths. 4:13-18)
[> [> [> Subject: ?


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Caren
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Date Posted: 13:01:47 08/21/12 Tue

Hillbilly - Could you explain what you mean about the beast's kingdom being complete??
[> [> [> [> Subject: I simply meant


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 18:35:00 08/21/12 Tue

when the anti-Christ has total control of the world for his period of time.

Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In order for this to take place the anti-Christ (beast) will have to have total control. He will be the sole authority and the false prophet will carry out his wishes.

It will be a set-up that was typified by Pharaoh controlling Egypt through Joseph.

The anti-Christ will have sole authority as a king, monarch or dictator therefore his realm could rightly be called a kingdom.

Sorry if I confused
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Further Clarification


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Caren
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Date Posted: 06:55:13 08/22/12 Wed

OK but Christ Could return before that happens correct? I mean his return is imminent (sp?) and could happen at Anytime right? Perhaps Today.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Absolutely


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 15:54:35 08/22/12 Wed

I do not believe the Church will go through any part of the seven year tribulation period.

I do however believe that things could get so bad many would think we were in the tribulation period. (think of the persecutions of the early Church saints where so many thousands were executed and tortured as happened under Nero)

I do put distinction between the rapture (translation of the saints) and the 2nd advent when Jesus comes back to set up His Kingdom at the end of the tribulation period.

Tribulation saints are not Church age saints.

Hope this clarifies.
[> Subject: Are we going to see this in our time, Hillbilly?


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dori
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Date Posted: 21:15:43 08/24/12 Fri

Many think so. The time of tribulation is an unknown to me. Will it be for decades, maybe even centuries, do you think?
[> [> Subject: I believe


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 21:21:36 08/24/12 Fri

it is possible than anyone living today may either go up to be with the Lord or go though the tribulation period if they are not saved and member of the "Body of Christ". This is the true Church and is comprised of those who have trusted Jesus for their salvation and had the atonement applied to their lives.

I believe without a doubt that the time is very close.
[> [> [> Subject: I do see the signs, too


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dori
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Date Posted: 21:31:16 08/24/12 Fri

But I know many have thought the time was close at hand over the centuries. It seems to go in cycles. But I don't have the knowledge you have Hillbilly. That's why I read what you write with such interest. I don't take what you say lightly.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Many see the prophetic time table


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 22:17:24 08/24/12 Fri

in 2 Peter 3:5-10 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Notice the context is the "day of the Lord" as seen in verse 10. Peter is addressing those who doubt the advent of our Lord and they scoff at the notion. Many though were sincere in believing He was coming but were beginning to doubt because even in the days of Peter and the other Apostles the 2nd coming was being preached. We therefore find the setting of the verses above in the first verses of chapter 3. 2 Peter 3:1-4 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

As to the time table of 1 day as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.

All of God's creation took 6 days. He then rested the 7th completing a week. This is the way time has been marked ever since.

If we take the prophetic week of 6 one thousand year days and a thousand years of rest as the "sabbath" then we can see much prophecy coming clear. We are now at the 6,000 year mark accoding to the chronology of the Bible. This can only be approximate because absolutely no one knows for sure the exact number of years. The people who kept up the calendars through time could have easily dropped the ball for a decade or two or possibly even more.

I personally think the calendar is close. I just beg to differ from most on this one major point. People have historically based culmination the prophetic week on the birth of Jesus. Even time as we know it today (2012) is based on His birth. The problem with this in my view though is that it was not His birth that was the central event in history. It was HIS DEATH and resurrection. It was this event which ushered in the New Testament and Church Age. Every one from Adam to the last person saved on earth will be saved by this atoning sacrifice of Jesus.

If this reasoning is correct then it moves the calendar date of the "2 days" (2,000 years) since his death forward by 30 to 33 years depending on His actual life. This would move the target date of the advent (not the rapture) to around 2030. If we are correct in the rapture preceding the advent by at least 7 years then we can see we are looking at 2023 at the earliest. This allows 7 years for the tribulation before His advent to the Mt. of Olives where His feet will touch the earth.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the rapture is an event that could happen today and it would not change scripture as the scriptures plainly tell us that Jesus will come completely un-announced and no one knows the day nor the hour. I personally believe the translation of the Saints will happen in the spring of the year but I could be wrong. My thoughts from the scriptures is that the rapture coincides with the feast of Pentecost and the advent with the Feast of Tabernacles in the fall of the year around the actual time of His birth and at least 7 years (or close to it) after the rapture. (Jesus was not born on Christmas day regardless of what we have been taught.)

The most important thing for any of us is to be absolutely ready for His coming. The trumpet could sound even this night.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thanks for this, Hillbilly


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 14:25:21 08/25/12 Sat

I know you have talked of this several times, but my feeble brain just doesn't retain things past a few months. I hadn't thought about basing the 2nd coming on Christ's death and resurrection instead of his birth. Makes perfect sense to me. 8-)


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