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Subject: Dan Chap 9 vss 20-27 Continued Post 48


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 15:12:57 09/26/10 Sun

The time count for the 70 weeks is to start from the "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" (vs. 25) which is known as the "edict of Artaxerxes and took place in the Book of Nehemiah 2:1-8.

The Following is excerpted from Clarence Larkin's book "Dispensational Truth" copyrighted in 1918. Mr. Larkin had great insight into end time prophecy and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" (2 Tim. 2:15. Anyone interested in prophecy and correct dispensationalism would do well to obtain and read his work. It can be found online from various sources.

"The expression seventy weeks should read "seventy sevens". Whether those sevens are days, weeks or years is to be determined by the context. The period of the seventy weeks is divided into three periods of Seven Weeks, Threescore and Two Weeks and it was to be 7+62=69 weeks from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince.

The date of the commandment is given in Nehemiah 2:1 as the month Nisan in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king, which was the 14th day of March, B. C. 445. The day when Jesus rode in triumphal entry into Jerusalem as Messiah the Prince, was Palm Sunday, April 2, A. D. 30. But the time between March 14, B. C. 445 and April 2, A. D. 30, is more than 69 literal weeks. It is 445 + 30 = 475 years. What explanation can we give for this? It is clear to every careful student of the Word of God that there is a time element in the Scriptures. We come across such divisions of time as hours; days; weeks; months; years; times; time and the dividing of time. To be intelligible and avoid confusion they must all be interpreted on the same scale. What is that scale? It is given in Num. 14:34 "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years."
The Lord's scale then is; A day stands for a year. Let us apply this scale to the Seventy Weeks. We found that he time between the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, and Messiah the Prince, was to be 69 weeks, or 9 X 7 = 483 days, or if a day stands for a year, 483 years. But we found that from B.C. 445 to A.D. 30 was a difference of 8 years. How can we account for the difference?

We must not forget that there are years of different lengths. The Lunar year has 354 days. The (Hebrew) calendar year has 360 days. The Julian, or astronomical year has 365 1/4 days and it is necessary to add one day every 4 years to the calendar. Now which of these years shall we use in our calculation? We find the key in the word of God. In Gen. 7:11-24; 8:3-4, in the account of the flood, we find that the 5 months from the 17th day of the 2nd month, until the 17th day of the 7th month, are reckoned as 150 days, or 30 days to a month, or 360 days to a year. So we see that we are to use in "Prophetical Chronology", a calendar year of 360 days.

According to ordinary chronology, the 475 years from B.C. 445 to A.D. 30 are "solar" years of 365 days each. Now counting the years from B.C. 445 to A.D. 30, inclusively, we have 476 solar years. Multiplying these 476 years by 365 (the number of days in a Solar year), we have 173,879 days. Divide 173,879 by 360 (the number of days in a Prophetical year), and we have 483 years, all to one day, the exact number of days (483) in 69 weeks, each day standing for a year. Could there be anything more conclusive to prove that Daniel's 69 weeks ran out on April 2, A.D. 30, the day that Jesus rode in triumph into the City of Jerusalem."

The 360 day year according to the Hebrew Calendar possibly reflects the length of the year at the creation. If this is true then the rotation of the earth has been slowed by 5 1/4 days since then. This could partially explain the changes in climate from the days before the flood and the days after. The 360 day year was in effect during the flood so sometime afterward a catyclismic event could have slowed the earth's rotation Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. The Hebrew word "divided" in the text means "to cleave". It is possible a huge earthquake took place and acturally affected the earth's rotation.

It never ceases to amaze me at the intricacy and complexity of God's Word. Only one given to serious study and prayer in the Bible would have the truth revealed in such a manner. Truly the Word of God is written to be revealed and not learned as you would facts given in a newspaper, magazine or other text book.
This takes care of 69 of the 70 weeks leaving one week to be fulfilled. As stated in the last study it has yet to be fulfilled for the requirements that are stated in verse 24 of chapter 9 of Daniel. The requirements again are (1)to finish the transgression, and (2) to make an end of sins, and (3) to make reconciliation for iniquity, and (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, and (5) to seal up the vision and prophecy, and (6) to anoint the most Holy. Six things and while you may find partial fulfillment through 70 A.D. you cannot find complete fulfillment. If the first requirement is talking of the transgression of Israel then it is not yet finished. It will not be finished until Israel is converted. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: We see by this verse it wasn't during Paul's day. The conversion was prophesied in Rev 12 (written some time around 90 A.D.) when we see the "woman" overcoming by "the blood of the Lamb", "the word of their testimony" and their willingness to die for their faith. (Rev. 12:11)

The second "to make and end of sins": Truly and end of sins was made at the cross but in order to avail yourself of this "ending" you must be born again and have the inner man renewed after the image of of the creator. (Col. 3:10) Other than that possibility who in their right mind would think an end of sin had come into the world. The 3rd requirement is to "make reconciliation for iniquity". This requirement would seem to show the end of sins was still future from the 69th week because reconciliation was accomplished on Calvary. An end of sins will occur at the second coming while reconciliation occurred at the first coming.

Requirement #4. "To bring in everlasting righteousness,". If it is talking about imputed righteousness (Romans 4) then it is a done deal to the saved. Other than that it will occur with the return of Jesus. Requirement #5 "to seal up the vision and prophecy" This can take place only at the end of the 70th week, whenever that occurs. #6 "To anoint the most Holy". This was a fact during the life of Jesus and evidently took place at His baptism according to the words of Peter in Acts 10:26.

If there are things waiting to be fulfilled in the prophecy listed then we may safely say that the 70th week has not yet taken place and we are in a prolonged "gap" in the prophecy. A gap that started with Jesus' riding triumphantly into Jerusalem on the back of the asses colt. The gap or pause in the prophecy started with the condemnation and cutting off of the Messiah and will not resume until the anti-Christ comes on the scene after the resurrection/rapture of the Church.

There are 4 discernible 70 week or 490 year periods from the call of Abraham until the initiation of the Kingdom in Revelation 19 and 20. We will take a look at the details in the next study.

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[> Subject: Mercy


Author:
Connie
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Date Posted: 09:17:22 09/27/10 Mon

All those numbers and I am absolutely lost when it comes to math. Actually I believe the 70x7 weeks is 490 years and 483 weeks (years) have been fulfilled and the only one left is the 70th week (year) which will commence when a peace agreement is signed in the Middle East and will be broken after 3-1/2 years. That's why I'm following the peace goings-on in the ME with such interest because it does appear (on the surface at least) that Obama may be the one to pull it off and you know what that makes him. Ofcourse it also means that the Rapture is very near.
[> Subject: Details later??? What???


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dori
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Date Posted: 12:30:39 09/27/10 Mon

Wow, I thought that was pretty detailed as it was. It really IS very intricate, isn't it? Kind of like working out a calculus problem! My head is spinning. *-)
[> Subject: Intricate: Just as God's Word is.


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:58:46 09/27/10 Mon

As noted in Larkin's work the Hebrew calendar had 360 days and not 365 with a leap year ever 4 years as we have today.
Where he gets the 360 day year as the prophetic year is from Genesis with the appropriate verses below. From the scriptures one would deduce the year was actually 5 days shorter than the solar year we go by today

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 8:3-4 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. 4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

17th day of the 2nd month until the 17 day of the 7th month is 5 months exactly and the scriptures are plain the length in days was 150 days. 150 divided by 5 = 30 days for each month. 30 times 12 = 360. Time as God created it. Sometime during the early years after the flood God caused a cataclysmic event to take place that changed the earth's rotation by slowing it down. It may have also changed the tilt so that what was once verdant and warm (Antarctica) would now be for ages and ages cold and frozen. It is interesting at the evidence that has been found to support a warm Antarctica. Fossils of animals that could only live in warm climates.

This "rift" in the earth could also explain the similar animals in dissimilar places. Also the isolated animals found only in places like Australia and the Galapagos. Whatever the facts the truth can be found in God's word just as the prophecy of the 483 years came to pass on the exact day if you use the original formula for a year.
[> [> Subject: I agree, Connie


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dori
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Date Posted: 08:06:51 09/29/10 Wed

Hillbilly brings scripture to life in his studies. I would one day love to meet him and I know I would see the countenance of the Lord on his face. He is truly blessed.
I loved the part about the change in the earth's tilt causing all kinds of climate change and animal species displacement. It makes one wonder if the ever approaching sun to our planet is a symbol of the ever approaching Son to our planet, doesn't it?
[> [> [> Subject: Dori


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Connie
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Date Posted: 09:07:02 09/29/10 Wed

I'm sure you remember Basil. Well, he doesn't believe in the Bible and he bases his disbelief on the fact he claims that there never was a flood because of the evidence in the different layers of the earth (forget what that's called but I'm sure you and Hillbilly know what I'm talking about).
[> [> [> [> Subject: Basil wouldn't believe if.....


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dori
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Date Posted: 00:22:47 09/30/10 Thu

Jesus came right up to him with a geologist's report on it. He is a "thinker" who is so smart he outsmarts himself. A sad man, too. What peace Jesus could bring to him if he'd let him in. 8-(
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Dori


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Connie
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Date Posted: 10:59:13 09/30/10 Thu

The really sad part is that he has two daughters who will be influenced by his ideas re God, Jesus and the Bible.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Connie and Dori


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 20:55:43 09/30/10 Thu

I have seen where you mentioned this Basil in the past and from what I gather from both of you he is reprobate.

The fossil record is a complicated study but it can be understood simply.

First the fossils in different strata. Sedimentary rock layers are a world wide fact. The very word sediment invokes the idea of a settling of solids suspended in a liquid.

Heavier sediment sinks fastest as will objects that are not dissolved in water. Heavier boned animals would sink fastest and would be found more in the deepest of the sediments as they would hit the bottom first and be covered the deepest. How much hair an animal had would also factor as the more hair the more buoyant. Feathered birds would probably sink last.

This would be interpreted by many scientists, who believe these layers are evidence of ages, as showing an evolutionary process. However, in order to preserve the entire animal and allow fossilization the process would of necessity have to happen quickly. Animals decompose and also are eaten by scavengers. To find an entire fossilized animal, whether large or small, would require that animal to be buried in the layer very quickly. All this proves the probability of a catastrophic flood rather than ages of slow building of the layer.

Something also that cannot be explained other than an event like the flood is when you find a treasure trove of fossils at high altitude in mountainous areas. In some of these locations you will find all sorts of fossils of carnivore as well as herbivore animals. Only something more frightening than being eaten would cause these various animals to be in the same location at the same time to be buried together and fossilized in the same strata.

Only a flood answers the riddle of what would have produced this.

I'm sure you Basil already has had these facts thrown at him many times and I'm just as sure that he ignores the evidence just as he ignores the fact of ancient lore from all over the world testifying of a great flood in the distant past. Indigenous peoples the world over have these legends woven into their historical past. The evidence of the flood is too great to ignore.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Boy, Hillbilly...


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dori
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Date Posted: 22:46:34 09/30/10 Thu

You sure have Basil pegged... grin. That's him to a tee. As Connie said, it is sad that he is raising his two daughters to be atheist--having said he wants his children to think with their brains and not get caught up in a bunch of fairy tales. Sad, huh?
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hillbilly


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Connie
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Date Posted: 09:34:10 10/01/10 Fri

As Dori said you have Basil pegged to a tee.I guess we mention him because we've known him (in another forum) for along time and remember when both his children were born and how proud he was of them (and still is I'm sure). They are teen-agers now. He is an engineer (and I'm sure a very good one) and I believe engineers, as well as scientists, are the ones who have the most trouble accepting the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. Also although I'm not sure I believe he was a Roman Catholic in his younger years and apparently something happened to cause him to reject everything spiritual and only accept what he can see, feel or touch and for which there is a "earthly" explanation.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hillbilly


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Sandy
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Date Posted: 18:19:21 10/05/10 Tue

I believe that what is written in 1st Cor. 1:23-31 as well as chapter 2 explains why those your describing cannot seem to come to the knowledge of the truth sometimes.

Meaning they think to much, only believing what is logical to their minds I guess. :-) Not choosing to believe what they do not understand within their own minds in faith.

There are many people like that it seems, choosing to only believe what is reasonable to them.

And you cannot be like that in order to follow the Lord.

Another scripture that says the same thing is written in Is. 55:8-11. As well as what God finally told Job also beginning in Job 38-41.

I believe chapter 41 telling us who these people are following, as well as whose child they also belong to as well, unfortunately.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sandy,


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 21:21:57 10/06/10 Wed

I also think often they can't or won't come to the knowledge of the truth because they want a god they can control.

As you cited God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

Thanks for you input and it is good to see you here again

God bless.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes, it's nice to see you again, Sandy. 8-)


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dori
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Date Posted: 23:39:08 10/08/10 Fri

And it seems I am behind in a study. Been having some health issues, but all is improving. Will 'splain more later. Gots a toothache and am going to bed.
xoxo
[> Subject: Hillbilly


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Connie
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Date Posted: 09:32:40 09/28/10 Tue

Fascinating stuff. I always amazes me how you can explain things so clearly. Truly a gift from God and I'm so thankful you are here to explain it to the rest of us. PTL.
[> [> Subject: Thank you,


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:16:23 09/28/10 Tue

There are so many mysteries in the Bible that it would take a life time to explore them all. At best we can only see the tip of the iceberg.

For instance when Jesus told us we could not know the day nor the hour of His return it did not mean He hasn't given the clues in His Word. He has however written them in such a way as to make fools of those who would try to pin point His coming for the Church when he plainly said He would come as a thief in the night. We are to watch but we still won't know the day nor the hour. We can however read the signs and know it is close.


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