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Subject: Dan. Chap. 7 vss 8-12 post 38 Author: Hillbilly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:40:42 02/20/10 Sat Daniel 7:8-12 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. Verses 8 through 12 is a focus on the 10 horns on the fourth beast we looked at in the last post. In verse 8 we are told there is a "little horn" that comes up amongst the 10 horns. This will make eleven horns instead of 10. Continuing in verse 8 we find out that after this little horn shows up 3 of the eleven are "plucked up by the roots". We are now back to eight horns. This little horn had eyes like a man and a mouth speaking great things. Verse 9 makes it plain that we are at the feet and toes of the image Nebuchadnezzar saw in chapter 2. The 10 toes will match the 10 horns. The difference is that in chapter 2 their is not any focus on an individual king or kingdom. It looks at the collective alliance. This "little horn" is of great significance as he speaks "great things". I believe this to the the anti-Christ who stays in power until he is cast into the "burning flame" of verse 11. When the first vision was given to Nebuchadnezzar in chapter 2 of Daniel it focused on the 4 world powers from Nebuchadnezzar until the Messiah. In the vision the "stone" which is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords destroys the image by hitting it on the feet and the whole comes down. This allowing for only four kingdoms till Christ and His kingdom must therefore mean that all the subsequent kingdoms that will be identified as beasts here in chapter 7 must proceed out of the last kingdom, which was Rome, when the Messiah appeared. The implication of this then is these 4 "beasts" which represent kingdoms will be a continuation of the image in Daniel 2. Had Israel accepted there Messiah after His resurrection the prophecy of Daniel two and 7 could have and would have been fulfilled soon after the ascension. The little horn would have shown up and the empire would have been destroyed at that time. The Kingdom would have started and Christ would still be on His throne in Jerusalem. God, foreseeing the rejection broke the prophecy down as it has been to reflect the progression of beast kingdoms after Rome until the destruction of the anti-Christ's kingdom. This explains why chapter 7 has application before and after the fall of Rome with the primary application for the last days that we live in today. Verses 9 and 10 leave no doubt as to the time frame of this final beast epitomized as the little horn. The description of the "Ancient of days" can be no other than Jesus Christ as seen by John in Rev. 1:13-15. Even if someone doubted according to His appearance all doubt would have to be erased as we find in verse 10 the Judgment. This judgment is the judgment at the end of the tribulation when the nations will be gathered before the "righteous Judge". We also find the "Books" are opened as they are at the White Throne Judgment of Rev. 20:12 which occurs after the millennial kingdom. In verse 11 the "little horn" is given to the burning flame which matches Rev. 19:20 and lest anyone doubt the duration of this lake of fire we find that Satan is thrown in after the thousand year reign and it is recorded that the beast and false prophet are still there! Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. If you can tell me how long for ever and ever is then I can tell you exactly how long anyone thrown it this place will be there. Folks. Listen to me. If you have never been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ you are going to this place. No doubt about it. Listen; a life span down here is less than an eye blink compared to eternity. Don't take a chance on going there. If you have never done so please reflect on this and diligently seek the Lord while He may be found can call on Him while He is near (Isa. 55:6). There is a time coming when the door of opportunity may be closed to you for ever and then it will be too late. Verse 12 tells us that the other three beasts (the lion, the bear and the leopard) lost all their power but continue to exist after the little horn is destroyed for a season and a time. If the season is like a normal season then it would be three months while the "time" would be a year. This would give these three beasts 15 months before ceasing to exist as a nation. It is possible also that it is referring to the "kings" over these three beast nations. If so then it speaks of the leaders' deaths. Verse 12 also shows conclusively the nations continue to exist even after losing their power. In chapter 2 even though Babylon was captured it continued to exist. Media/Persia fell to Greece ye continued to exist. Greece was replace by Rome yet continued to exist and Rome went from a great empire to a 3rd rate nation yet she continues to exist even to this day. All of this was revealed to Daniel yet as we shall see he didn't have a clue as to what it all meant. As we shall see as we read on through this chapter the meaning is revealed to Daniel yet even at that he as we are left wondering at the blanks that are not filled in. We will look in greater detail this section of scripture as we get to the interpretation from the angel at the end of this chapter. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Hillbilly Author: Connie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:39:42 02/21/10 Sun Fascinating how you can bring such clarity to these things. Re (the lion, the bear and the leopard) does the lion represent England, the bear Russia, the leopard I don't know so I'm probably way off track. Speaking of England (the empire that the sun never set on) I read that England lost her empire and power after she reneged on a treaty with Israel and instead of dividing up the old Ottoman Empire according to the Mandate, the British caved to the demands of the Arabs and Israel received only a small portion of it.

[> [> Subject: Connie, Author: Hillbilly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:14:31 02/21/10 Sun I do believe the lion to be England with possibly the wings being by extension the U.S.A. This is only supposition but England and the U.S. have never truly been separated except for the short times of the revolution and the war of 1812 which basically established the U.S. as a separate nation. Our peoples have always shared that common ancestry and even at war the common man and woman of England had sympathy toward the colonies. In these latter years since WWI you can see how more and more the U.S. has carried England. Especially during WWII. You are correct about the sun setting on the British Empire soon after England reneged on the Balfour Declaration (declaration was in 1918 if memory serves me)and actually tried to stop the Jews from entering the Holy Land just after WWII. All history needs to be looked at from the perspective of how it affects Israel and the Holy Land.

[> [> [> Subject: Hillbilly Author: Connie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:53:57 02/22/10 Mon All history needs to be looked at from the perspective of how it affects Israel and the Holy Land. AMEN! Sad that so many peoples and countries (Arabs excluded) look at the Jews and Israel with such disdain and contempt and are so quick to condemn them for any action they take in their own defense. One of the most contemptible IMO is Jimmy Carter....what a disgrace his presidency was and he still thinks he's important and doesn't realize what a failure he was and is while babbling off about Israel when most people know it's Arab money that's funding his Carter Center.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Connie, you can get ready Author: Hillbilly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:49:51 02/22/10 Mon for a great increase in Muslims in the U.S. and it is going to drastically affect the political scene. Going into the tribulation period the Islam religion will pave the way for the anti-Christ. What is so disgraceful about "Jimmuh Cottuh" is that he was supposed to be a Sunday school teacher. Baptist at that!! I could more easily see an agnostic or atheist taking the stands he has than a professing Christian who is supposed to know his Bible.

[> [> [> Subject: One other thing Author: Connie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:57:09 02/22/10 Mon England is being taken over by the Muslims and it's churches are being converted into mosques. I find this very sad because, as you know, my father was British and Nfld was a British colony when I was growing up and I can't believe what I see happening over there now. I fear as church attendance declines here in the U.S. as it did in England the same thing will happen here.